Help with a framing project, please...

[Jim Miller]

Does it have to be like this?

Hisdawn must be sorry to have stumbled into this hornet's nest, and probably went away with an unfavorable impression of picture framers. The rude responses were embarrassing.

And now that hisdawn has been chased away, the conversation has shifted to personal attacks and defensiveness among the regulars here. Still embarrassing.

 

[Baer Charlton]

Yes, just like an unbidden guest at any rowdy large household.

And if you think we're bad, try a few of the motorcycle forums.....
and then, there are the writer and artist forums..... THOSE
are beyond cable tv in entertainment.....

 

[Patricia Kotnour]

As far as the acqusation that I was advertising on my post; I would like to ask the question to those who are bringing this to the table, how I am expected to give advice to anyone if I can't mention my methods, or let a person know that I have an educational program that can help them? There are several here who are constantly promoting their books, their seminars, their classes, that they get paid for, and yet no one seems to find them at fault for their self promotion or advertising.

The fact is that there have been many times in which I have had really good, and easy, do no harm, ways to do a job that someone is looking for advice for, but am afraid to say anything because my method includes the use of one of my company's products. So I just bite my toung and keep quite. The fact is that I can't give good advice at times without mentioning one of my products, because there are times when the easy way IS my way. It may take the use one of my fasteners, or tools, or methods.

The fact is, that I did not mention my company when I mentioned one of my company's products to the newby. I gave the newby good advice. If it was considered advertising then this forum needs to redefine what is considered advertising. Because there are many here who don't seem to understand what is considered advertising. Including me.

I'm quoting myself Jim, to remind you that I am not the one who made it necessary for me to defend my advice to Hisdawn. Rob's post was rude and uncalled for. If he is on my list, it is only because he seems to have a need to start something at every turn and create bad blood between us. The truth is that I don't have a list. I treat people the way I would like to be treated and try to be nice to everyone. I hate the way you and Rob seem to always make it necessary for me to defend myself. Once upon a time I considered you one of my best friends in the business and Rob as well. What happened to that friendship? I for one miss it.

 

[Ylva]

I don't think this discussion belongs on our forum for everyone to see and think that all framers are a bunch of whiners.

I am not taking sides, but find this highly unprofessional.

 

[Jim Miller]

I hate the way you and Rob seem to always make it necessary for me to defend myself.

Me? Pat, that was my first post in this thread. I said nothing about advice (yours or anyone else's) and I mentioned no names. Why would you assume my comments referred to you?

I don't think this discussion belongs on our forum for everyone to see and think that all framers are a bunch of whiners.

I am not taking sides, but find this highly unprofessional.

I agree completely.

 

[tedh]

Come on Ted, they both run businesses for profit. Pat's users benefit, too.

Agreed. We all benefit from both of them. The industry is richer for them.

 

[Mike Labbe]

I think both of these quotes sum it up very well, and that this thread should serve as an embarrassing reminder of poor self restraint/self moderation.

As a public forum, everyone should be accepted, greeted, and made to feel welcomed here. The strong aggression towards newcomers and each other are unwarranted, in my opinion. They reflect poorly on the posters , but also on the forum as a whole.

Mod Alert/Requests were received to censor/remove this thread, but it can stay as a reminder of how things shouldn't go. We're capable of much better, IMO.

Mike
Mod team

I don't think this discussion belongs on our forum for everyone to see and think that all framers are a bunch of whiners.
I am not taking sides, but find this highly unprofessional.

IMHO this newby came here looking for help and was attacked. The facts are that this person didn't know that some of the professionals here are very sensitive to questions that require them to give information they believe to be exclusive to the framing industry. I would say they are right.......if this forum were not open to the public. It isn't fair to those who come here and ask questions that may seem to be of the uninlightened or unaware catagory. They come here because they want answers. To attack them because they are unaware of some unwritten code that a few seem to bring to the table everytime a newby asks a question that they deem as breaking this code is not only wrong, it is very rude.