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Hi everyone,
I'm new here, and was hoping to pick your brains about a project. I am working on framing a basketball jersey for a Special Olympics athlete (here in Charlotte, NC) that recently was honored to be in the NBA All Star game for Special Olympics.

The jersey has her name on the back, but the front has the important logo and also an autograph of one of the NBA players. So, I have the idea to cut the jersey in half and frame the upper portion of both front/back. I'm attaching a photo of what I have in mind. I actually took a pic of the front and back of the jersey, printed out the picture/cut it out to shape NBA Special Olympics Jersey project.jpg, and folded and played with layout.

My dilemna is twofold: I've never framed a jersey, and how do I keep the shirt on a backing (mat board?). Spray adhesive? I bought one of the ready made shadow boxes from Michaels...

Thanks in advance, for any guidance. She's a very special young lady and I want to make this special for her :)
 
Generally speaking, cutting *anything* you've been asked to put in a frame is a bad idea. If they bring it to you cut apart, that's their business.

Spray adhesives are a *very* bad idea, too. Sewing or something called 'attach e-z' or somesuch seems to be the preferred method of jersey attachment here on the Grumble (I don't do jerseys).
 
If you are really considering doing what you said, please don’t do anything until the professionals on this site give you some advice.

If on the other hand you are an experienced framer that is having a little fun with us, good one. It seems like the statement you made is specifically designed to make framers cringe. If that was not your intent hang on and we’ll get right back to you.

Ed
 
Cutting is a big NO!!!! So is spray glue for anything in a frame shop. Nasty stuff to the art as well as the framer.

If it were in my shop, I would cut a form out of FC to fit inside the jersey and then attach it in a few spots with an tagging gun or stitches. I would make the form longer than the shirt and then cut mats that would cover the bottom of the form and a bit of the shirt. I would do these front and back so that both sides would be visible. These mats would be spacered out between them so that when they go into the frame they will fill up the space and keep the shirt from touch the glass. Next I would install it in the frame or possibly in 2 frames that would be fit back to back.

Another option would be to put it on a hanger in a front opening shadow box so that the customer could open it and flip it around at will.

Neither of these jobs are simple and not a good candidate for your first jersey job.

Welcome to the Grumble.
 
Not a joke LOL

I can only imagine how this would make the professionals cringe. But, I'm bold and humble enough to put it out there to get some insight from you guys. :) So, the family and athlete don't mind it being cut at all. I'm going to keep reading the answers and hopefully come up with a solution. I don't have the money to invest in having it done, I got the frame and that's about it. So, hence the do it yourself attempt.
 
hisdawn said:
I can only imagine how this would make the professionals cringe. But, I'm bold and humble enough to put it out there to get some insight from you guys. :) So, the family and athlete don't mind it being cut at all. I'm going to keep reading the answers and hopefully come up with a solution. I don't have the money to invest in having it done, I got the frame and that's about it. So, hence the do it yourself attempt.
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Well if you are going to do it yourself then I suggest

  • IF you are going to cut it, then you have someone sew/bind the edges or it is probably going to unravel, depending on material
  • DO NOT GLUE IT DOWN Sew it to your backing board, it can be done by hand and does not have to be done all the way around the garment, just in some STRATEGIC places.
 
Glue and cutting a signed jersey..... considering that no professional would EVER do either..
I'm gonna go with this HAS to be a freakin joke. :kaffeetrinker_2:
 
OK, since we are working with what you have. Go to the hardware and get a large screw eye and put that in the center of the frame at the top and then get a nice looking hanger. Put the jersey on the hanger and hang it up on the screw eye.

Since this is a readymade jersey frame, they can switch it out easily if they choose. This way you are not damaging the jersey in any way.
 
I'm not a professional...just a well intentioned friend helping someone out.

blackiris said:
Glue and cutting a signed jersey..... considering that no professional would EVER do either..
I'm gonna go with this HAS to be a freakin joke. :kaffeetrinker_2:
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The family (my boss in fact) asked me to help with the project. I'm not in the business (I work in the vending business actually) and was just trying to come up with a crafty way to do this. I know a professional would do a better job, but the family doesn't want to spend the money, and I can't afford to. So, just trying to make it look good...
 
Good frame shops have access to 32x40 jersey boxes whose backs are removable - bendies around the edges. They're sold with a patented hanger. Get a refund for the one you bought, then buy one of these. You'll still be doing it yourself, and you can switch sides easily. These boxes come with an easy wall hanging system, and some have UV-filtering glass.

There: you've got a pro solution at a fair price.
 
Thank you, I appreciate the solution!

tedh said:
Good frame shops have access to 32x40 jersey boxes whose backs are removable - bendies around the edges. They're sold with a patented hanger. Get a refund for the one you bought, then buy one of these. You'll still be doing it yourself, and you can switch sides easily. These boxes come with an easy wall hanging system, and some have UV-filtering glass.

There: you've got a pro solution at a fair price.
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I will head straight to Michaels after work and check it out.
 
First please "do the least harm" and second "do the least possible".

The first rule so that when they go to reframe it the piece is not destroyed. Good intentions are worthless if a treasured memory is ruined. The second rule is not because we/you re being lazy it is because the more you do to something the more potential for damage and the more restoration someone else will have to do down the road. Just because they asked you to do it as a favor, or you are doing it as a favor for a friend remember one of the first things a framer learns is that the "discount" a customer gets is forgotten the corners cut to get that discount are with the customer forever. So your friend will see the corners you cut to save them money long after they thank you for the framing job. In a few years it may turn into I can't believe he cut up her NBA shirt.... (they will have forgotten that they asked/OK'ed cutting, it will be all on you :))


Of all the options you have left yourself with, this is the best suggestion.
FrameMakers said:
OK, since we are working with what you have. Go to the hardware and get a large screw eye and put that in the center of the frame at the top and then get a nice looking hanger. Put the jersey on the hanger and hang it up on the screw eye.

Since this is a readymade jersey frame, they can switch it out easily if they choose. This way you are not damaging the jersey in any way.
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I would add "no wire hangers!!" They may rust onto the jersey.

A matboard/foamboard insert could be used to give the jersey shape so that it hangs right inside the shadowbox. You could also fold the shirt tightly around the form so that the front is display nice and crisp. Just because they "can" switch the shirt around chances are really good that they won't. Display the most meaningful side. Take a picture of the other side and tape it to the back.
 
Bob Doyle said:
First please "do the least harm" and second "do the least possible".

The first rule so that when they go to reframe it the piece is not destroyed. Good intentions are worthless if a treasured memory is ruined. The second rule is not because we/you re being lazy it is because the more you do to something the more potential for damage and the more restoration someone else will have to do down the road. Just because they asked you to do it as a favor, or you are doing it as a favor for a friend remember one of the first things a framer learns is that the "discount" a customer gets is forgotten the corners cut to get that discount are with the customer forever. So your friend will see the corners you cut to save them money long after they thank you for the framing job. In a few years it may turn into I can't believe he cut up her NBA shirt.... (they will have forgotten that they asked/OK'ed cutting, it will be all on you :))


Of all the options you have left yourself with, this is the best suggestion.



I would add "no wire hangers!!" They may rust onto the jersey.

A matboard/foamboard insert could be used to give the jersey shape so that it hangs right inside the shadowbox. You could also fold the shirt tightly around the form so that the front is display nice and crisp. Just because they "can" switch the shirt around chances are really good that they won't. Display the most meaningful side. Take a picture of the other side and tape it to the back.
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Great advise. I think I'm going to go back to the drawing board on the cutting of the shirt. I like the idea of the picture of the front of the shirt, maybe I can attach one in the shadowbox :) Thank you again to you all!!!
 
Can't help but think this:

So, you bought the shadowbox frame at Michael's and came to a forum with PROFESSIONAL framers to find out what to do? Did not the fine certified framers at Michael's offer any assistance or thoughts?

I rest my case.
 
I know you said it was cost prohibitive to let a "pro" frame the jersey, but if you got a price at Michaels, that is very inflated at least compared to what I charge. Why don't you secretly spread the idea to others at your work place and take up donations, then go talk to a "pro" and tell them the situation and how much you collected and see if they generously find a way to frame the jerseys. This sounds like a situation that I would make happen at my shop. Then surprise the boss and you all, including the framer, get to share in the fun. Mike
 
Ouch :(

Framar said:
Can't help but think this:

So, you bought the shadowbox frame at Michael's and came to a forum with PROFESSIONAL framers to find out what to do? Did not the fine certified framers at Michael's offer any assistance or thoughts?

I rest my case.
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Ok, well, you're so right. I shouldn't have come here looking for advice from PROFESSIONAL framers. Sigh...why is this such a harsh world. Just trying to do something nice, and get flamed. "I'll Kill You"? Really.

Thank you to all who offered advice. You shared some ideas that I hadn't considered, and that was much appreciated.
 
hisdawn said:
Ok, well, you're so right. I shouldn't have come here looking for advice from PROFESSIONAL framers. Sigh...why is this such a harsh world. Just trying to do something nice, and get flamed. "I'll Kill You"? Really.

Thank you to all who offered advice. You shared some ideas that I hadn't considered, and that was much appreciated.
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Most of us have been in this business for years.... have put in the sweat, blood and our souls into our craft. So when you suggest:

1. spray adhesives on fabric
2. cutting an autographed jersey
3. cutting out the independants and going to a BB store...which is kinda like... instead of using this vending company... I'm going to go to wal mart to stock my machine........
4. not filling out your profile.

It's really really really hard to take posts' seriously. We're all kinda heart and soul into the biz.
And maybe you're not trying to shake us up....but its a bit like poking a hornets nest.

If you are completely serious in this quest.. I would find a way to have someone do this for you.
Do as Mike suggests and take up donations for the project. Good Luck
 
hisdawn said:
Ok, well, you're so right. I shouldn't have come here looking for advice from PROFESSIONAL framers. Sigh...why is this such a harsh world. Just trying to do something nice, and get flamed. "I'll Kill You"? Really.

Thank you to all who offered advice. You shared some ideas that I hadn't considered, and that was much appreciated.
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Sigh… I knew it was only a matter of time.

I’m sorry, but not all framers are so nasty and unwelcoming. Yes, you’ve received some good advice here, and I hope you remember that part of it and can ignore the small and nasty but vocal minority.
 
I am sorry if anyone thought I was nasty. If you had brought your carpy Michael's frame in to my little bitty custom frame shop and told me your story I probably would have done your project for the cost of my materials.
 
While the 'I'll kill you" comment was certainly a bit much, albeit obviously tongue in cheek, you have received a ton of good advice. I'm not sure how many professionals in other industries would be so forthcoming with free "how to's" for an amateur trying to avoid them.
I think, by and large, the professional framers have shown tremendous openness and generosity of information.
 
Interesting Coincidence:

Regular customer just brought in two Michaels boxes with two Ravens jerseys for fitting. The full treatment. I'd like to know the price of the boxes, which are only 30x40. Anybody?
 
Found it! $219 plus tax. MDF construction.
 
Dave, I completely understand Mar and Iris being upset. We are professionals, like he said we were. Then he said he was going to go to our competition instead of to us. It hurts.

I had a problem with my truck, so I googled YouTube, learned how to take the dash out and repair it myself. Had I gone to my mechanic and asked him how to do the job, if I could borrow his speciality tools and if he could tell me the shortcuts to use I think he would be justifiably upset with me.

That said I want this home DY framer to know what not to do so that when his boss takes the short to a real frameshop the framer won't break down in tears. I'd hate to see him have bad blood or even be fired by his boss for ruining his daughter's jersey.

Two things I think our friend does not want to learn the hard way. 1) never ruin your boss's personal property they don't like that. and 2) never ruin your boss's family's personal property, they can never forgive that....
 
A bit sanctimonious aren't we, Dave? The only nasty comments were yours. If you thought it was anything but tongue-in-cheek, you surely called the police, didn't you?
Thanks for the cheap shot.
 
hisdawn said:
Hi everyone,
I'm new here, and was hoping to pick your brains about a project. I am working on framing a basketball jersey for a Special Olympics athlete (here in Charlotte, NC) that recently was honored to be in the NBA All Star game for Special Olympics.

The jersey has her name on the back, but the front has the important logo and also an autograph of one of the NBA players. So, I have the idea to cut the jersey in half and frame the upper portion of both front/back. I'm attaching a photo of what I have in mind. I actually took a pic of the front and back of the jersey, printed out the picture/cut it out to shapeView attachment 17663, and folded and played with layout.

My dilemna is twofold: I've never framed a jersey, and how do I keep the shirt on a backing (mat board?). Spray adhesive? I bought one of the ready made shadow boxes from Michaels...

Thanks in advance, for any guidance. She's a very special young lady and I want to make this special for her :)
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As you have probably figured out, cutting, or glue of any kind on a jersey is a bad idea. If you want to show the signature, why not make a color copy of the front where the signature and logo is and mount the shirt the back showing and the picture of the front. DO NOT CUT THE SHIRT! My guess is that you are very new to framing or are just a hobby framer. Either way, you need to get some training before you take on a project like that. Our Starter kit comes with a DVD that will teach you how to mount a jersey, but you still need training if you are going to be a framer for real.
 
Pat Kotnour said:
Our Starter kit comes with a DVD that will teach you how to mount a jersey
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So long as I am on Pat's SH*T list :), I'll come out and say it- sure sounds like a commercial post to me...........
 
hisdawn said:
Ok, well, you're so right. I shouldn't have come here looking for advice from PROFESSIONAL framers. Sigh...why is this such a harsh world. Just trying to do something nice, and get flamed. "I'll Kill You"? Really.

Thank you to all who offered advice. You shared some ideas that I hadn't considered, and that was much appreciated.
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Your aren't the first person to come looking for help here and won't be the last, and I am so sorry for the way you were treated. As you probably can guess, framers are passionate about the industry. We aren't all so quick to condemn though. What most have forgotten is that they were all where you are at one time in their careers. I think we should all lighten up and give good advice without making a person feel bad because they dared to ask a question about framing, to professional framers. Isn't that was this forum is all about? Getting help from people who have the right answer. Since when did the G become a forum for only professional framers? As you see, there are some pretty unprofessional professional framers here. Don't let them keep you from asking questions. The only dumb question is the one not asked,
 
I don't think someone that isn't familiar with the forum would realize that Paul's comment was tongue in cheek. They don't know the history.

Pat, this person is not in the beginning of a framing career. They are here asking for help with a do it yourself job.

When given advise about materials and how to do the job the op states they will head back to Michael's to get the needed items which is a bit like being slapped in the face.
Like Mar, I wonder why they didn't ask for advice from the framing department at Michael's.
 
I said on a previous post, and I'll say it again.
This person seeking advice has been given plenty of it through the good graces of generous professionals. What more can you ask for? If a couple of posts were less than supportive, so what? The poster asked for advice from pros, received advice from pros, and now will return to Michael's. Really??
 
mlmintz said:
I said on a previous post, and I'll say it again.
This person seeking advice has been given plenty of it through the good graces of generous professionals. What more can you ask for? If a couple of posts were less than supportive, so what? The poster asked for advice from pros, received advice from pros, and now will return to Michael's. Really??
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Michaell's is a fact of life that all framers must live with. Treating someone badly because they said they went to them should not be the way our industry relates to the public. It certainly won't change anyone's mind about the Proffessional's that we call ourselves and is also very bad manners.
 
Well, while all of you snipe at each other.....

I hope the original poster comes back......

I did read your entire post.... even the part about it being
for SPECIAL OLYMPICS jersey. Of course it is signed by a
pro athlete. And there are probably photos of the competitor
with the pro.... frame those.

Give the jersey back to the kid. Let them wear it until it falls apart.

Now, that is coming from a professional picture framer of 47 years.
and also someone who personally knows the power of a signed
jersey for a little girl in a wheel chair who was the goalie.... and
cheered the whole way by a true Hamm.

The frame up is your bosses idea. They should have asked the kid
if they want to have control of the garment, and wear it.
Take the frame back to Michael's, it wouldn't be "Priceless".
 
OK I'll play your silly little game.. Use LOTS of GLUE (the super sticky
kind) and make sure the scissors are SHARP... JUST KIDDING.. sort
of.
 
Pat Kotnour said:
Michaell's is a fact of life that all framers must live with. Treating someone badly because they said they went to them should not be the way our industry relates to the public. It certainly won't change anyone's mind about the Proffessional's that we call ourselves and is also very bad manners.
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I have to agree with Pat on this. That said, there has been some good professional advice offered here. I think we should be on our guard that we do all we can to avoid perpetuating the idea (myth?) that professional framers are snobs and that trying to deal with us might be challenging or unpleasant.
:kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
 
I would go with one of the ideas already offered; put a small screweye on the top inside of your shadowbox and a (plastic) coathanger hanging from that. Not sure if your shadowbox is big enough?

A first rule of every professional framer is 'do no harm'. In other words, don't alter something you cannot replace easily. Seeing how this is a signed jersey, don't cut it, don't glue it.

As for professional framers not being friendly? As on every forum, it all depends on who you talk to. In my shop, everyone who wants it will get advice, for free. Doesn't mean I show you exactly how to frame (you can't blame us for keeping some trade secrets :) now can you?)

But I would give you the above advice if you came in personally, or I would work with your frame and fit it for you for a fitting fee plus materials (if needed)
 
Baer Charlton said:
I hope the original poster comes back......

I did read your entire post.... even the part about it being
for SPECIAL OLYMPICS jersey. Of course it is signed by a
pro athlete. And there are probably photos of the competitor
with the pro.... frame those.

Give the jersey back to the kid. Let them wear it until it falls apart.


The frame up is your bosses idea. They should have asked the kid
if they want to have control of the garment, and wear it.
Take the frame back to Michael's, it wouldn't be "Priceless".
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I have to agree with Baer on this one. Years ago a woman brought me a picture of her sons Little League team who had gotten to 2 nd place in the nationals. She had his medals and the picture and had me frame them for him as a surprise. Bad idea.
The kid was really upset that she had framed his medals, because he was young enough that he wanted to be able to still wear them as the trophy's they were. My very first career was a Psyc Nurse at a State Hospital for the mentally handicaped. Knowing what I know about working with the special kids, I would be willing to bet that this little girl will want to wear that shirt and show it off. Like Baer said, you may want to ask her before you do something that she does not want.
 
Pat it isn't just kids :) I have a customer in her 80's, she brought in her husband's Celtics t-shirt that was signed by all the players. Larry Bird era players. She wanted it in a real cheap simple frame and when I told her about stretching, pinning, attaching it to a backing, spacing.... she took it home with her. Brought it back the next day cut in two and small enough to fit into the frame she wanted to use. :)

I had been trying to delay her as her husband had been wearing that t-shirt since it had been signed and it was very threadbare and interestingly stained.... Slapped that sucker into her frame really quickly and got it back to her as fast as possible....
 
Bob Doyle said:
Pat it isn't just kids :) I have a customer in her 80's, she brought in her husband's Celtics t-shirt that was signed by all the players. Larry Bird era players. She wanted it in a real cheap simple frame and when I told her about stretching, pinning, attaching it to a backing, spacing.... she took it home with her. Brought it back the next day cut in two and small enough to fit into the frame she wanted to use. :)

I had been trying to delay her as her husband had been wearing that t-shirt since it had been signed and it was very threadbare and interestingly stained.... Slapped that sucker into her frame really quickly and got it back to her as fast as possible....
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OMG! I wonder if they are still married? Poor thing, I know she meant well, but as I said OMG!
 
hisdawn said:
Ok, well, you're so right. I shouldn't have come here looking for advice from PROFESSIONAL framers. Sigh...why is this such a harsh world. Just trying to do something nice, and get flamed. "I'll Kill You"? Really.

Thank you to all who offered advice. You shared some ideas that I hadn't considered, and that was much appreciated.
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Another great newbie Grumble experience gone down in flames......

[video=youtube;S-Xrlf3taEo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xrlf3taEo[/video]
 
Pat Kotnour said:
OMG! I wonder if they are still married? Poor thing, I know she meant well, but as I said OMG!
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She was just in today after I wrote on this story :)

Still together, happily so. He came in and thanked me for the beautiful job :shrug:

It's their property, their memories. we treat them to the best of our ability, inform them of the reasons for not damaging their property, then it is up to them. I did not cut the shirt, and had she left it I would not have cut it, I would have probably folded it real tightly and put it into a thicker better frame for her, treated as best I could, but she cut it and it is hers.

The OP really should not cut the shirt in question. He could let his boss cut it, but he should not. A good deed is not worth losing your job over :) We would be at risk of losing a customer, but this guy could be at risk for souring a relationship with his boss.....
 
RParrish said:
Another great newbie Grumble experience gone down in flames......

[video=youtube;S-Xrlf3taEo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xrlf3taEo[/video]
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Couldn't agree more.
What ever happened to welcoming Newbies with a positive message?
Danny Boy was always there to welcome everyone. He was the first one to welcome me.

It's not always necessary to show how smart you are by attacking a Newbie (or by attacking each other).
How were you welcomed to the Grumble?
Did someone try to tear you a new one or did they just say "Welcome to the Grumble"?
 
Rob Markoff said:
So long as I am on Pat's SH*T list :), I'll come out and say it- sure sounds like a commercial post to me...........
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Hi Rob

I'm not quite sure what the rules say about advertising, but I must admit that you self promote frequently. I think you are extremely knowledgeable, helpful and a great asset to the forum, but do become awkward when you keep promoting your classes.
 
Niel you gotta be careful how you paint the welcomes dome get here. Yes it is very important that we welcome new members. At the same time I remember seeing threads where well meaning grumblers have welcomed, sent freind requests and wrote on the ealls of obvious spammers and trolls. I remember threads that had gone past twenty posts that were started by spambots.

We do welcome new members but when someone's first post says "I will never spend money framing with you I just want your years of knowledge for free" well some here don't take it too kindly ;).

I don't blame some here for being skeptical.
 
kuluchicken said:
Hi Rob

I'm not quite sure what the rules say about advertising, but I must admit that you self promote frequently. I think you are extremely knowledgeable, helpful and a great asset to the forum, but do become awkward when you keep promoting your classes.
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Boy, that's a stretch. Pat's promotion may generate sales, from which she benefits. On the other hand, Rob's promoting classes from which attendees benefit. Rob puts in hours, if not days or weeks of prep time, then may receive an honorarium. I'll bet if you divide that honorarium by the number of hours put in, you'd see that he's working for 25 cents an hour. Some benefit.

The framing community benefits from both of these people. Let's not tick them off.
 
kuluchicken said:
Hi Rob

I'm not quite sure what the rules say about advertising, but I must admit that you self promote frequently. I think you are extremely knowledgeable, helpful and a great asset to the forum, but do become awkward when you keep promoting your classes.
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IMHO this newby came here looking for help and was attacked. The facts are that this person didn't know that some of the professionals here are very sensitive to questions that require them to give information they believe to be exclusive to the framing industry. I would say they are right.......if this forum were not open to the public. It isn't fair to those who come here and ask questions that may seem to be of the uninlightened or unaware catagory. They come here because they want answers. To attack them because they are unaware of some unwritten code that a few seem to bring to the table everytime a newby asks a question that they deem as breaking this code is not only wrong, it is very rude.

As far as the acqusation that I was advertising on my post; I would like to ask the question to those who are bringing this to the table, how I am expected to give advice to anyone if I can't mention my methods, or let a person know that I have an educational program that can help them? There are several here who are constantly promoting their books, their seminars, their classes, that they get paid for, and yet no one seems to find them at fault for their self promotion or advertising.

The fact is that there have been many times in which I have had really good and easy, do no harm, ways to do a job that someone is looking for advice for, but am afraid to say anything because my method includes the use of one of my company's products. So I just bite my toung and keep quite. The fact is that I can't give good advice at times without mentioning one of my products, because there are times when the easy way IS my way. It may take the use one of my fasteners, or tools, or methods. T

he fact is that I have given my educational programs and methods, all of them, to PPFA groups all over the country......at no charge. But, do I dare promote the fact that I am going to be in a certain area, here on the G? No, because this is considered advertising.

The fact is, that I did not mention my company when I mentioned one of my company's products to the newby. I gave the newby good advice. If it was considered advertising then this forum needs to redefine what is considered advertising. Because there are many here who don't seem to understand what is considered advertising. Including me.
 
tedh said:
Boy, that's a stretch. Pat's promotion may generate sales, from which she benefits. On the other hand, Rob's promoting classes from which attendees benefit. Rob puts in hours, if not days or weeks of prep time, then may receive an honorarium. I'll bet if you divide that honorarium by the number of hours put in, you'd see that he's working for 25 cents an hour. Some benefit.

The framing community benefits from both of these people. Let's not tick them off.
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Come on Ted, they both run businesses for profit. Pat's users benefit, too.
 
Pat Murphey said:
Come on Ted, they both run businesses for profit. Pat's users benefit, too.
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Which is why most of us jump in (when it is appropriate) and sing her tools their proper due of praise.

As for Ted's portrayal of Robs hundreds of hours prepping for classes at $.25/hr...... hummmm

I guess...... and that would make him (other than John Raines III and Jim Miller..) one of the higher paid educators
in the industry.

The difference between Rob & Pat is marked.... (other than hair)..... Pat sells her product to make our lives easier,
and more profitable.
Rob teaches us how to fish. And if your life is blessed, you get to sit in the steam room with him.
(and you guys thought the Chinese dinner was good...... :D)
 
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