Stretching Canvas Art??

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Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, still unsure of everything. A client has asked me if I stretch canvas art (art he had purchased), already has the wood for the frame. How hard is this to do??

Thank you for any advice!
 
Rob Markoff taught a great class on this at the WCAF show on Wednesday. My reply to your customer would be "No I am sorry" and maybe refer them to someone in your area who can. Then go to the PPFA or Picture Framing Magazine websites and buy the books regarding this subject.
 
If you have never stretched a canvas before, you cannot start learning on a customer's painting.

Buy yourself some canvas, build a strainer and start stretching. Or find a cheap yard sale painting on canvas, take it off the bars and re-stretch. Do this many many times, with as many different paintings you can find.

Stretching in itself is not all too complicated, but a lot depends on what you are stretching, quality of canvas and paint. Was the canvas primed? What paints were used? How stretchy is the fabric? Will the paint crack/come off completely.

So many variables to consider and hard to give advice on if we can't see and feel the actual painting.
 
After taking Rob Markoff's class, I wont be stretching too many things on strainer bars anymore.
 
The term 'stretching' is a slight misnomer. You don't actually want to stretch the canvas. The idea is to hold it flat on the bars just tight enough so it doesn't flop about. No waves or wrinkles. You don't have to have it 'drum tight'. Canvases can vary a lot. Some are a dream and some are a PITA. Depends how they have been painted. Stretching isn't rocket science, but it does take a bit of practice and experience to do it well. Using keyed bars rather than solidly joined ones gives you a lot more control on problematic canvases. Each of the 8 keys gives you the ability to exert tension in a different direction.
 
Annie, if you want to bring it over, I'll stretch it while you watch. Call first.

That is a super nice offer take him up on it. Keep in mind he is an expert it will not be as easy as he makes it look. You still need to practice.

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BTW Jim, she failed to mention that the painting has been cut off the original metric sized stretcher bars and the new ones her customer purchased are warped Frederix ones that are in inches and only an 1/8" larger than the canvas - but you can make them work with canvas pliers.......and her customer doesn't have those extra weird shaped pieces of wood that go in the corners either :)

NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED>>>>>>>>
 
Aw shucks, Rob. Annie wouldn't do that...would you Annie? Annie? Annie?! :faintthud:

Lol, well, the customer has not yet brought them in so, I can't say for certain but let's hope for the best! Jim, I will call you as soon as he drops it off!
 
After taking Rob Markoff's class, I wont be stretching too many things on strainer bars anymore.


Why is that? I've only had problems with pieces on stretcher bars.
 
Stretcher bars are adjustable. Strainer bars are fixed. Almost impossible to get proper tension by pulling a localized area of a canvas with pliers over a fixed bar.

The only way to get tension is by extreme torque on a localized area. With a stretcher bar, the amount of initial tension is less critical and the bars can be keyed out or adjusted (mechanically) in a much more gentle and uniform manner.

A strainer stretcher requires the canvas to be loosened in the future and pulled again to re-tension. This means that some of the image may have to wrap over the bars, changing the visual area of the bars.

A stretcher bar does not have that limitation as the outside dimension is variable and can expand to re-tension the canvas.

Chris, would you please share the problems you have had with stretchers?
 
Chris, would you please share the problems you have had with stretchers?

The loose, shifting corners have always been an issue, plus I've never personally seen a painting keyed successfully to remove looseness.

When I learned stretching in my father's shop 25 years ago, he had lots of Frederix bars, and also strainer for custom cutting. When using Frederix, we would square it in a doorjam, then to help with the shifting-corners problem, the corners were stapled in place. With these issues, I prefer strainers. No shifting. No out-of-square issues ever. Fully customized size.
 
The loose, shifting corners have always been an issue, plus I've never personally seen a painting keyed successfully to remove looseness.

When I learned stretching in my father's shop 25 years ago, he had lots of Frederix bars, and also strainer for custom cutting. When using Frederix, we would square it in a doorjam, then to help with the shifting-corners problem, the corners were stapled in place. With these issues, I prefer strainers. No shifting. No out-of-square issues ever. Fully customized size.

Chris- with all due respect to your father - GAP (generally accepted practices) have changed. What we knew and did 25 years ago might not be what we do today.

Paul Cascio may take me to task for "self-promotion" - but I showed in my Striplining and Stretching class some ways to overcome the "racking" you are referring to by the use of removable bracing that one can either make themselves, or purchase from a company such as Jack Richeson. I also showed several types of adjustable bars that many attendees told me they had never seen before.

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I agree that it can be problematic to keep a keyable bar square, especially when yanking on a canvas with pliers - so much so that you could cause the bars to become un-square.

Have you ever used a mechanical bar such as those made by Simon Liu? I have NEVER been able to rack that type of bar - even if pushed from corner to corner. www.simonliuinc.com

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I do not like the use of staples to hold a keyable stretcher square. First of all stapling the corners in place means that either you have applied staples UNDER the canvas, thereby "fixing" the corner and rendering it un-adjustable (since you can't remove the staples from under the stretched canvas) - or you have stapled only one side - and must use a staple long enough to do some good- and thereby have stapled THROUGH the tongues of the stretcher possibly splitting them.

I know many of you won't like hearing this, but if you are pulling on a stretcher enough that you have torqued it out of square, you are probably pulling too hard on the canvas in the first place.....and I am willing to bet it involves the use of a canvas plier and staples/tacks to hold the canvas in place.

The stretching method I demonstrate (that I learned from the conservators I work with) - is gentle and allows for adjustment (sometimes it needs to be periodic and the actual restretching of a painting is accomplished over a period of days) - or involves localized "flattening" of problematic areas. "Pulling the wrinkles/ripples out" with a pliers is just bad practice.

One must also take into consideration that we are talking about "restretching" a canvas that came off bars of unknown origin. I have found that many old canvasses (canvi ?) that I have worked on were not square by the time they got to me - meaning that either the original bars were not square to begin with or warped, etc.

By using an adjustable bar, one can more accurately create a shape that duplicates the original stretcher.

Personally, I think we tend to "overstretch" in the first place.

My class has been approved by the PPFA as a CEU class for the MCPF and adheres to the PPFA guidelines for framing works of art on canvas. One may not agree with everything I teach (or what is contained in the Guidelines) - but if one wants to pass the CPF or MCPF test - or maintain either credential, the information conveyed is the most current GAP.
 
Paul Cascio may take me to task for "self-promotion" - but I showed in my Striplining and Stretching class some ways to overcome the "racking" you are referring to by the use of removable bracing that one can either make themselves, or purchase from a company such as Jack Richeson. I also showed several types of adjustable bars that many attendees told me they had never seen before.

Self promotion? And here I was taking a class thinking I was getting an education!
 
I've seen fredrix bars go out of square with pretty moderate force applied while stretching. It's easy enough to staple matboard triangles to the corners to prevent this & then pull them off just before you finish the corner. No, don't leave the corners stapled. The Richeson system looked pretty interesting though. I wonder why I haven't got my display? It must be several months since I requested it. Thanks for the reminder, should give them a call.
 
It's easy enough to staple matboard triangles to the corners to prevent this & then pull them off just before you finish the corner.

I have found that matboard triangles can "flex" enough to be troublesome, especially with larger pieces. Agree that they will work in a pinch for smaller pieces - but once you have a good set of pre-drilled masonite or MDF corner triangles (I have several sizes depending on what I am stretching) you will never go back :)
 
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