Mounting Linen onto Foamcore

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I'm mounting a linen fabric onto a f/c board to be used as a base for an object mount. Wouldn't I have to countermount this to keep the board from bowing? The f/c is mounted securely onto a 2" wooden liner but I'm thinking the moisture will have an effect on the reverse side. Correct?
 
Counter mounting some fabric on the board
couldn't hurt. You may want to avoid gluing
the board to the strainer, as this may lead
to aggressive warping.

Hugh
 
The board is 19 x 34 and I'm going to use Mighty Muk to adhere the linen. It's too late to avoid gluing the f/c to the wooden liner, unless Hugh thinks it would precipitate a complete failure. I could actually pry it back off as it's just ATG'd and Elmer'd. I'd rather not as it took a lot of work to get it perfectly sanded on the edges. BUT, advice from you gurus would certainly sway me. This has been a PITA project from the starting gate. (Just finished reading "Seabiscuit.")

Edie, would you use another method of adhesion for the linen?
 
I think it is fine the way you have it right now.
In the last class I took taught by Hugh he told us about using Acrylic Gloss Medium to stick down fabric. It's okay for c/p, too. So, that is my new favorite goop. I like it because it is a bit thinner and easier to spread around in a thin, smooth even coat, so it is good for flimsier fabrics (like silk.) It is heat-reactivated, too.
I have done it exactly the way you have done it many many times, though and have never seen the need to countermount.
Will you be putting this whole dealie in a frame or plexibox or something else?

edie
(MM, did you see the essay by the author of Seabiscuit in a recent New Yorker? Let me know if not, I'll send it to you. The woman has overcome some formidable obstacles...)
 
Thanx for the prompt reply: such a pleasure to rely on this board for great advice.
Edie, I'm putting the blank-blank thing in a plexibox. It's a huge hornets' nest about which I asked earlier for "gluing" ideas and will probably ask again. So fragile yet so stubborn!

No, I didn't see the article and would really enjoy reading it. She's a terrific narrator and I was immensely impressed with the book. Seems she is a writer of equine matters? Please, indeed, send it to me if you have time.
 
Cathie, fwiw, when I do a piece like the one you have described (in a plexibox), I leave a generous margin of extra fabric "flapping" on all sides of the fc. Then I use it to wrap around the edge and to the back of the strainer frame. When I attach the fabric-wrapped package into the plexibox, I just screw right through the fabric into the strainer with brass screws.
But, you knew this already, right?
I can't even begin to imagine how to handle a hornets' nest! Please let us know what you did with that! :eek:

edie
 
I was just wondering if there was any reason gluing would be preferred to dry mounting the fabric? I always dry mount the fabric using either Fusion 4000 or buffered tissue. Whenever I use glue, I make a mess. I just find dry mounting faster, easier, and cleaner. But if there is a reason for gluing as a preservation issue I don't know about, I'd like to know it.
 
Pamela,
I don't see any reason why dry mounting fabric wouldn't be acceptable.
I have used archivalmount (I think?) in the past and I found it to work well.
One drawback, though was on oversize pieces- juggling a sheet of slippery tissue, slipperier fc and unruly fabric has caused me headaches before in the form of a sneaky little crease in one or more of the above layers. :mad: Having one less layer to ruin your day seems to make a big difference.
I just don't have too much more dry mount tissue around anymore since I have been using that pre-gooped fc for my poster mounting.
Also, the Gloss medium is c/p (more so than archivalmount? I don't know...,) is just plain cheap, unbelievably simple to use (fast spreading and fast-drying unlike PVA glue) and applicable in so many other situations...
I use the medium to bond together two 4ply solid cores mats for an 8 ply that will have a totally seamless bevel. Yummy.
The Gloss medium is about the only goop that I have found to get a good bond with certain heavily slubbed silks- FFMI's India series (no other colors like 'em!) comes to mind. And even that only works well on fc as a substrate and works best with several thin coats of the medium.
Hopefully Hugh will check back in with c/p considerations...

edie the whyarentyouonyourhorserightnowpamela? goddess
 
As mentioned on another thread, I also have used the acrylic medium to make scratch pads out of clamped stacks of paper. It is way cheaper than the goop sold for this purpose, and works just fine.

:cool: Rick
 
Thanks, Edie, I would like to give that a try. I've never heard of it, though. Where do I get it, and what exactly am I looking for? I am almost out of fabric glue, so now is a good time to try something new.

becauseitishorriblyhumidandmybuttisstillsore
 
I've been using Yes Paste for that operation for years. I lay the Yes Paste onto a piece of cardboard and then apply it to the foam core with a three inch, short knap, paint touch up roller.

I lay the glued up board onto the fabric to be mounted, I have already lined up the grain of the fabric before hand. I gently rub the back of the foarm core to get a grab on the fabric, flip it over, then smooth it out by hand.

With fabric, I have never had a warping problem using foam core. I don't think there is enough moisture in the Yes Past to cause the fabric to shrink in such a short drying time. I'm just guessing on that though. I've never had a moisture problem from the back using Yes Paste.

John
 
We fabric wrap hundreds of strainers for our acrylic frames every year. WE also use Yes paste, it's easy to control, there is of course no overspray and it can be touched up with a steam iron if you have any part let go. I only mention this because we wrap things that are VERY large and sometimes we have to put the fabric down half at a time. We cut the fabric 2" per side larger than the strainer. After mounting the fabric to the face of the strainer we also use the Yes paste on the sides and around to the back of the strainer. When wrapping for use in an acrylic frame remember the corner of the frame do not have any flexibility and we suggest cutting out the excess fabric at the corner. We do not fold the fabric at the corner.
 
I have got to give Yes paste a try. I am always open to new goop.
Rick, I made a memo pad out of the medium---works great! My next project is to see if I can use it in that fashion in a color. Woo!
Pamela, you can find it at any art supply store.
Acrylic Gloss Medium. Buy the big bottle.

edie the memopadmakerextraordinaire goddess
 
The nearest art supply store I know of is 45 minutes from here, unless Michael's might have it. Do you think they might, or do you have any other suggestions?

Also, where can I get this "Yes" paste so many are happy with. Like Edie, I like to try new stuff.
 
Gosh, and here I've been using Fusion to drymount fabric onto F/C. Who knew that there were SO many ways to mount fabric on a background?
 
Oh yeah, Pamela, I think I have bought it at Michael's before. Besides, it'll be a good excuse to view the flames in Framing He11 .
edie the worm?whatworm? goddess

[ 08-14-2003, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: Framing Goddess ]
 
You can get the "Yes" paste from Larson. They have a gallon container for maybe $30. You can get it at art supply stores too, but it costs more. I think I got like a cup of it for maybe $10. Good stuff. Although, I use it with art projects, haven't had much use for it in framing.

Youse guys are making me want to start a project. I bought an old christening gown and some linen from a fabric store, and raw liners, need to get busy. Of course there is also the old kids Daniel Boone fringed jacket that I spent weeks looking for the right gun and holster that is just waiting to be framed in the LJ Primitive shadow box. Not to mention all the little doll dresses. Let's not forget all the old aprons that I plan on making bulletin boards out of in conjunction with the coolest reclaimed frames from Laville. The apron idea is so cool. I am using the fabric and some of them have pockets and such attached, that I will leave on. It will revolutionize the bulletin board industry, I'm sure. Let's see, various pieces of old funky silverware waiting to be displayed in a frame with various pieces of old kitchen wallpaper behind them. There is the vintage fashion ads, the vintage pin-up art, the kitchy rhinestoney costume jewelery frames...............wow, quite a list. Sorry, I couldn't stop myself, I better get busy.

[ 08-14-2003, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: Emibub ]
 
I've had three or four people email me and ask me about my new bulletin board "invention". I haven't actually made one yet, just collected the aprons. I will make one next week and post pictures on the design forum if anybody is interested.

Who knew?
 
Thanks for the info. I'll check my Larson catalog Monday.

Kathy, It sounds like you really like doing shadow boxes. I hate doing them.
 
Reading this informative thread it seems that plenty of various mediums not counting drymounting are used for attaching fabric to a foamboard: Mighty Muk, Acrylic Gloss Medium, Yes Paste, etc.
Any thoughts on the BEST goo for wrapping mats in fabric, or drymounting is still the best techniques for that application?

Bork
 
Originally posted by Pamela DeSimone, CPF:

Kathy, It sounds like you really like doing shadow boxes. I hate doing them.
Click to expand...
Yes Pamela strangely enough I do enjoy doing shadow boxes. Especially when it is the cool old stuff I like. Sometimes I despise doing them just like everybody else.
 
Bork, Yes Paste is what I've used for just about all wrapping. The procedure is about the same as gluing fabric to foam core, except that you can also put it in the vacuum press, since mat board will not crush around the edges.

Lay your Yes Pasted mat onto the fabric, flip it over, smooth it with your hands, then put it in the press. After you take it out of the press, you can trim out the opening like you always do. Then use Super 77 to spray on the back for wrapping.

If your mounting a very thin fabric, like silk, lay your Yes Paste on the board, then cover it with a sheet of Kraft paper, smooth it out evenly with your hands, then pull the Kraft paper off the board. This will leave a very thin coat of Yes Past on the board or mat, then proceed as usual.

Remember you can't start answering the phone or calling your better half. Once you pull the Kraft paper off, you must move things along fairly rapidly, or the glue will dry out to soon.

John

[ 08-24-2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: JRB ]
 
John,

Two more questions:
1. For how long do you keep the assemble in a press, and under what temperature.
2. When wrapping the bevels' surfaces do you use Yes or 77 on them?
Thank you John.

Bork
 
Bork, run your press "cold". Putting them in the press just makes them look a lot nicer. You don't really have to press them at all. In the old days, we did not have a press, so we just did it by hand. We also used Yes Paste for the wrap as well. Spray glue just makes the process go a little faster. You can leave it in the press for just a few minutes or as long as you want. Yes Paste takes about five minutes to " grab ", in the press.

As far as gluing the bevels, it is next to impossible to keep the Yes Paste off the bevel when you are applying it to the mat, unless it's a reverse bevel. By the same token, when you are spraying the back with Supper 77, your going to get some of that on the bevel as well. For four ply matts, I don't think it's really any big deal, either way. If your wrapping 6 or 8 ply, you would use Yes Paste on the bevel. You have to keep it moving along when your doing thick mats. You can take a break before you wrap four ply boards, but not on the thicker ones.

Another important thing you should remember to do when your using Yes Paste is, bend down or pick the board up, and sight across the glue. Look for any lumps of glue or anything else that will mess up your project.

John
 
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