Jade R For Magnets To Paper?

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An artist attached small magnets to the back of heavy cardstock for display, and they popped off. Would Jade R work better and be safe?
I've just started working with it, and don't know what all it does. Thanks.
 
I don't know, but my question is, with the magnets being heavier than the paper, won't the magnets just continue to peel off a ply of the paper at the attachment site?
 
Why not use polypropylene mounting corners or sleeve?
 
It's heavy cardstock, for a small folding art book that is maybe 4 x 18". The book is sort of spread out, accordion/fan style with magnets on the backs of some pages. The magnets are very small.
And thanks for the reminder, Ylva. I forgot to say that they first used hot glue.
 
Superglue (Cyanoacrylate) gel will penetrate the paper fibers better than a thicker adhesive, and bond well to the magnets.

Gwen Spicer does mention Jade (Polyvinyl alcohols) in her book as the most commonly cited in her research for use with mat boards, but to get optimum bonding the magnets need to be embedded in the substrate, so I'm guessing not surface mounted.
She starts out the subject of adhesives with "The strength of glue must be stronger than the pull force of specific magnet being used". The only way we can put that into practice is trial and error.
 
wpfay said:
Superglue (Cyanoacrylate) gel will penetrate the paper fibers better than a thicker adhesive, and bond well to the magnets.

Gwen Spicer does mention Jade (Polyvinyl alcohols) in her book as the most commonly cited in her research for use with mat boards, but to get optimum bonding the magnets need to be embedded in the substrate, so I'm guessing not surface mounted.
She starts out the subject of adhesives with "The strength of glue must be stronger than the pull force of specific magnet being used". The only way we can put that into practice is trial and error.
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Would Super Glue ever soak through and discolor the paper, or cause yellowing? I've only used it a couple of objects, not with paper.
 
Shayla said:
Would Super Glue ever soak through and discolor the paper, or cause yellowing? I've only used it a couple of objects, not with paper.
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Super Glue sets very quickly and is no longer active after that, other than the bond it created. At least, that's how I read the information.
Ylva said:
How about magnet to magnet, so one in front, one in back. (I have a hard time visualizing this project to be honest.
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Most of the magnetic mounts that I have read about require magnet to magnet bond. There were some magnet to iron or steel bonds, but they had little shear resistance without using very powerful magnets. All the projects I have done have used magnet to magnet bonds.
 
That makes the most sense to me.
So if this is just paper, with apparently a magnetic surface to attach it to, why not use the magnets from the front and hold it like that? Think refrigerator LOL

She could paint the magnets same color as the paper
 
My first question is why are they gluing magnets.
The usual use of magnets in framing, is to avoid the use of adhesives.
If you are using adhesives anyway, why not use adhesives that you know?

If you need to glue two surfaces together, you would need an adhesive that works well with both.
From the following website: https://www.apexmagnets.com/news-how-tos/the-best-adhesives-to-use-with-neodymium-magnets/ The Best Adhesives To Use With Neodymium Magnets | Apex Magnets Blog
The best adhesives to use with magnets are:
  • Urethane adhesives.
  • Super glue like Loctite.
  • Liquid Nails.
  • Epoxy adhesives.
  • Mod podge.
  • Silicone adhesives.
  • Foam tape.
Which ever one you feel would be good with the card stock, go with that.

In my experience, Super Glue can change the color of paper if it fully saturates through the material.
Super Glue on copy paper will cause it to slightly grey and gain a bit of translucence.
On Card Stock, it should be fine.

Still curious why they are gluing magnets.

Brian
 
Brian, Magnets are being used extensively in mounting objects in the museum world. There are applications for their use in framing.

The primary advantage is that there is no altering of the art or object when using paired magnets to hold it in place. The one magnet needs to be fixed somehow to the mounting substrate, and the second traps the object to the first. Sometimes the second magnet shows, and sometimes it can be concealed.

These magnets are very small for the most part. I have a prescription pill bottle with about 600 neodymium magnets in it. Some of the 1/8" diameter magnets have in excess of 3lbs of pull.

Gwen Spicer wrote a book documenting use of magnets: "Magnetic Mounting Systems for Museums and Cultural Institutions".
 
About fifteen years ago, we got a big original Chihuly piece on paper in, and it came from his studio with several 1/2" magnets glued to the back of the paper. So, they must have been doing it, back then.
 
I can appreciate the usefulness of magnets in these contexts, but would urge lots of practice with non-valuable items before working on a customer's piece. Some of the pull forces involved, and especially with small sizes that are difficult to grip securely, the magnets can "get away from you" and cause damage to paper or other materials.
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I have a prescription pill bottle with about 600 neodymium magnets in it. Some of the 1/8" diameter magnets have in excess of 3lbs of pull.
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How do you get them apart and out of the bottle? Also: I would put serious warning labels on that bottle if there's any chance children or other curious folks could get hold of them. Swallowing those could cause very serious health effects and require surgery to extricate.
:coffeedrinker2: Rick
 
wpfay said:
Brian, Magnets are being used extensively in mounting objects in the museum world. There are applications for their use in framing.

The primary advantage is that there is no altering of the art or object when using paired magnets to hold it in place. The one magnet needs to be fixed somehow to the mounting substrate, and the second traps the object to the first. Sometimes the second magnet shows, and sometimes it can be concealed.

These magnets are very small for the most part. I have a prescription pill bottle with about 600 neodymium magnets in it. Some of the 1/8" diameter magnets have in excess of 3lbs of pull.

Gwen Spicer wrote a book documenting use of magnets: "Magnetic Mounting Systems for Museums and Cultural Institutions".
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I think Brian is puzzled about the glue, not so much the use of magnets (if I read it correctly)
 
wpfay said:
Brian, Magnets are being used extensively in mounting objects in the museum world. There are applications for their use in framing.

The primary advantage is that there is no altering of the art or object when using paired magnets to hold it in place. The one magnet needs to be fixed somehow to the mounting substrate, and the second traps the object to the first. Sometimes the second magnet shows, and sometimes it can be concealed.

These magnets are very small for the most part. I have a prescription pill bottle with about 600 neodymium magnets in it. Some of the 1/8" diameter magnets have in excess of 3lbs of pull.

Gwen Spicer wrote a book documenting use of magnets: "Magnetic Mounting Systems for Museums and Cultural Institutions".
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Hi Wally, I understand using magnets on art, but not in gluing the magnets to the art.
If you are attaching magnets to the backer, you could cut/drill into the backer a hole that could nest the magnet.
 
This was done by an artist, and someone else has been asked to repair it, after the magnets gave way. I was visiting that shop to consult on another project, and they brought this out to ask what they should do. I told them I'd run it by some framing friends, for suggestions. Thanks, for all replies, and feel free to keep chatting.

It's a great topic, and one I should explore more. I bought the magnetic mounting book a year ago, but haven't yet read it. This chat reminds me that I should.
 
alacrity8 said:
Hi Wally, I understand using magnets on art, but not in gluing the magnets to the art.
If you are attaching magnets to the backer, you could cut/drill into the backer a hole that could nest the magnet.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
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