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Anyone use beehive hangers?
 
Only when hanging beehives...

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Dave said:
Only when hanging beehives...

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Sorry cvm ...but I have no idea what "beehive hangers" are!

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Thanks, Pat. I'm sure my kids would have thought to Google it first rather than be a smart arse! I'm an old horse who sometimes needs to be led to the feed trough.

These look interesting. Easier to use than Wall Buddies when hanging several pictures in a row too. They wouldn't reinforce the corners as WallBuddies do and don't bear the weight that wallbuddies will but offer more flexibility.

Anyone know if they have a wholesale set up... I'm just too lazy to find out by myself.

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Look unstable to me. Like there are too many angles and too much physics involved. What's to keep the nails from pulling out if you use the lowest most holes? What is the stress factor on the itty bitty nails holding the grid to the back of the frame, from each different hole combination?
 
True, Bob... but that's why they are only rated to 30 lbs.
 
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OK, if a 10 pound frame exerts 1000 pounds of stress on the screw eyes if the wire is straight across tight as #### then what kind of stress do these put on the nails, on the top rail, the last rail I want to hang a picture from BTW ;) , Top rail hanger systems are one thing that seperate my shop from the BBs.

Dave if you want to hang a bunch of pictures really fast use the Picture Perfect system. Those are really easy to use. I used them for a few tricky jobs and really like them....
 
No, Bob...just trying to be cute again...

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I emailed them to ask about a wholesale program and referenced this discussion.

I'll report back after I hear from them if they don't post themselves.
 
Yesterday I got asked about the hanger that doesn't put nail holes in the wall, doesn't damage the wall...sigh. I might have mentioned using magic.
 
Hmm, the demo has the model 1. Spraying the Windex directly on the glazing, and B. wiping down the frame with the same cloth that now is covered in Windex.
Its cute, but in a market that is already saturated with devices like this, I don't think it'll ever get traction. The top rail hanging is also a "don't".
 
This is the way I saw them utilized.

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Hmmm, used on the diagonal like that..... looks like the Dave/Bob gang bang Wallbuddization gets thrown out.

Now, back to that "as little as $.66/....... :eek:
 
Bob Doyle said:
Paul, arawaka hanging system! Or Gallery System, or AS out of Canada. Or velcro.
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Arakawa and the other systems require nails in the wall, at the very least to hold the suspension bracket. I think she was looking for something with a double-sided tape.
 
Paul that's not gonna rip the paint off the wall ;) I'd rather a small nail hole and spackle than having to get out the gunk, goo off, or nail polish remover and paint rollers.

Besides hanging systems holes never are seen when you move the pictures. Nail holes and tape residue does get seen.
 
PaulSF said:
Arakawa and the other systems require nails in the wall, at the very least to hold the suspension bracket. I think she was looking for something with a double-sided tape.
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Isn't there a Scotch product that adheres to the wall, but can be removed by snapping something from the bottom? It has hooks, like you would hang something from it. Maybe a few of those lined up would hold a lightweight picture (?).
 
I spoke to the Herbert Bigelow from Bee Hive hanger today - he is really a gentleman. He explained that he doesn't have his hangers to the wholesalers yet but he will sell them wholesale to us framers. He is sending me a few sets to try... I will let you all know how they work. He is now in the process of manufacturing Bee Hive Hangers that will hold up to 100lbs. - looks like he is trying to cover all of the bases.
 
After over fourty years doing this framing stuff, I have seen a huge amount of picture hanging ideas come and go. Very few catch on with our industry, Wall buddies seems to be one of the few.

This fellow seems to be aiming his product directly at the consumer, if his marketing budget works, he could have a winner. Perhaps we will soon see this on one of those swell TV commercials:

"BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! BUY ENOUGH TO HANG FOUR PICTURES, AND WE WILL DOUBLE OUR OFFER. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO EASILY HANG EIGHT PICTURES IN JUST MINUTES, IMAGINE THE LOOK ON YOUR FRIENDS FACES WHEN THEY SEE THAT EVERY PICTURE IN YOUR HOUSE IS HANGING ABSOLUTELY STRAIGHT! AMAZE YOUR FAMILY AND EVERYONE WHO WALKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, WITH ALL YOUR STRAIGHT HANGING PICTURES! YOU WILL BE THE ENVY OF EVERYONE ON YOUR BLOCK!" CALL IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES AND WE WILL TRIPLE YOUR ORDER, ABSOLUTELY FREE!

:)

John
 
John, from speaking to the Herb I didn't get the feeling that that is the way he will be marketing the Bee Hive Hangers but don't know for sure - besides who cares and what difference would it make as long as we can get them wholesale and they fulfill our needs in making our job easier.
 
I'd like to hear more about the "support pins" because they are the critical factor - they look kinda like bulldog hangers without the bulldog.

Kinda on the fence about this product - will wait for field reports.....
 
In most picture hanging situations, the part connected to the wall is the limiting factor, not the part connected properly to the frame. That is, when a frame crashes to the floor, the problem is usually on the wall, not on the frame. Of course, if a screweye splits the frame and falls out, that's an improperly installed screweye.

Most display walls are sheetrock, which can support a lot of weight if proper anchors and devices are attached. On the other hand, an ordinary nail might eventually pull out with only 1 lb. hanging on it, especially if vibrations or impacts are involved.

The limitation of the beehive/honeycomb hangers (pictured in a previous post) seems to be the required wall attachment. If an ordinary nail is attached to the wall, without a device designed to transfer or disippate the gravitational load, then the capacity of the frame-attached hardware is mostly irrelevent.
 
deaconsbench said:
Isn't there a Scotch product that adheres to the wall, but can be removed by snapping something from the bottom? It has hooks, like you would hang something from it. Maybe a few of those lined up would hold a lightweight picture (?).
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WOuld you want to trust it with your artwork?

I would think at some point like most adhesives like this it will dry out and give way.

Bob
 
Jim Miller said:
The limitation of the beehive/honeycomb hangers (pictured in a previous post) seems to be the required wall attachment. If an ordinary nail is attached to the wall, without a device designed to transfer or disippate the gravitational load, then the capacity of the frame-attached hardware is mostly irrelevent.
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I have one of the Beehive hangers on my desk and the wall attachments look like they would disippate the pressure nicely. I am going to give it a try on a piece for our gallery and will post the results. Peace, Mike
 
JRB said:
"BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! BUY ENOUGH TO HANG FOUR PICTURES, AND WE WILL DOUBLE OUR OFFER. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO EASILY HANG EIGHT PICTURES IN JUST MINUTES, IMAGINE THE LOOK ON YOUR FRIENDS FACES WHEN THEY SEE THAT EVERY PICTURE IN YOUR HOUSE IS HANGING ABSOLUTELY STRAIGHT! AMAZE YOUR FAMILY AND EVERYONE WHO WALKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, WITH ALL YOUR STRAIGHT HANGING PICTURES! YOU WILL BE THE ENVY OF EVERYONE ON YOUR BLOCK!" CALL IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES AND WE WILL TRIPLE YOUR ORDER, ABSOLUTELY FREE!

:)

John
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Hey, I hear that Billy Mays III is set to take over his dad's gig...
 
Jim Miller said:
The limitation of the beehive/honeycomb hangers (pictured in a previous post) seems to be the required wall attachment. If an ordinary nail is attached to the wall, without a device designed to transfer or disippate the gravitational load, then the capacity of the frame-attached hardware is mostly irrelevent.
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Jim,

If you look at the video (you might have to scroll down) on the web site that I linked to near the beginning of this thread, you will see the wall attachments supplied with the hangers. They look fine for the 30# limit.
 
Pat Murphey said:
Jim,

If you look at the video (you might have to scroll down) on the web site that I linked to near the beginning of this thread, you will see the wall attachments supplied with the hangers. They look fine for the 30# limit.
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Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, you're right, they should be good for at least 30 pounds in healthy sheetrock. They look to be at least as sturdy as the typical 30-pound, bagged "courtesy" wall hooks many of us supply with wired frames.

You know these wall hooks -- they're the ones still on the wire when the customer brings the frame back for glass replacement, saying "I don't know what happened. It just fell off the wall." And when we ask about the wall hook still on the wire, he says "Oh, there was an old nail already in the wall." Uh-huh.:smileyshot22:

That same customer might tie a piece of string in the Beehive hangers' holes. :icon11:

The Beehive hangers seem to be quite handy, especially for precise positioning of frames. However, I like the idea of screwing the devices across the top corners of the frame, not only to the top rail, but also to the side rails. Or, if the frame is hefty, the hangers could be screwed to the side rails, so long as there's no danger of lateral forces splitting the wood.
 
I ordered in some gallery wraps...from a company and they had the beehive hangers I like em alot. Excellent for the the oversize canvas I was hanging. When or where are they available wholesale. Thanks Mona
 
Joe B said:
John, from speaking to the Herb I didn't get the feeling that that is the way he will be marketing the Bee Hive Hangers but don't know for sure - besides who cares and what difference would it make as long as we can get them wholesale and they fulfill our needs in making our job easier.
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Joe, I am sure your friends product is a good one, there has been many before his over the years, that were also considered good or better. I have always stuck with the tried and true methods of providing a hanger on my customers framing projects, namely, wire and "D" or triangle rings. I also provide my customers with a wall hook, actually two per picture.

There is a reason to my madness, everyone understands the wire and picture hook concept. I know it works, they know it works, so when they pick up their work, there is no fuss about the hanger. I don't waste time trying to make them understand a new hanging concept. They don't think I'm trying to pull one over on them by using a less expensive system, everyone is happy.

The big part is trying to explain the new method to a customer who may not be all that swift, when there are other customers waiting.

As far as my little skit about the T.V. commercial goes, it was late, I was just having a little fun. I hope you did not find that to be offensive.

John
 
did anyone else notice...

that in the video the woman sprayed the glass cleaner directly onto the glass then wiped the glass... just wondering and being a smart ... - it is how today went. My bad.
 
Hey John,

No, I didn't find your little skit offensive - I get skitful (is that a word) now and then too. :rolleyes:

Like you, I use D rings, wire, and double wall hooks on the majority of my framing. Most customers can't get that wrong, but then again...

I have also used Wall Buddies for some time now and have found that at times they can be difficult to explain or use. These Bee Hive Hangers just look easier in all respect but Jim Miller brought up a point that is interesting. I do like how the Wall Buddies connect to the top and side rails of the frame, it doesn't appear the Bee Hive will do that - Jim pointed that out and that could be a concern on a heavy piece. Anyway, it doesn't hurt to try them out and if they are better than the Wall Buddies then I will have another tool in my box. No matter, I will let you all know my thoughts when I use them.
 
Clearing things up on the Beehive Hangers

Hello All:

Joe B referred me to the PFG. Interesting threads running through here.

I read the posts regarding the Beehive Hangers, and thought I'd answer a few questions people have.

Probably the most pressing question is regarding whether or not the Beehive Hangers can be attached at an angle to support both the top and side rails of a frame. Yes, they can. They work well at any angle. They can also be placed on the side rails alone if desired.

The other question that seems to be coming up is regarding the amount of weight the support pins will accommodate. The Beehive Hangers have been tested in 3/8" sheetrock (drywall) and will support up to 35 pounds without a problem. If used in 1/2" sheetrock, the weight limits increase a bit.

As someone mentioned, the video on the website is informative. This shows how to install and use the Beehive Hangers and can be seen at www.beehivehangers.com. The process is very simple. While the Wall Buddies are an excellent product, the Beehive Hangers are the ONLY product on the market that allows your frame to be repositioned in any direction (up, down, right, left, at an angle).

If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to address them.

Thanks to everyone for your interest and comments.

Herb Bigelow
Inventor of the Beehive Hangers
 
Hello Paul:

Thanks for the note!

I'm sure you'll love the Beehive Hangers. Sales topped 26,000 hangers last month, so they're catching on!

Herb
 
Welcome to The Grumble Herb. If it will make things a little better, I have never used Wall Buddies either.

Are you a picture framer or have you been one in the past. What else do you do besides inventing cool stuff? That was all code for tell us a little about yourself.

John
 
Joe B said:
...but Jim Miller brought up a point that is interesting. I do like how the Wall Buddies connect to the top and side rails of the frame, it doesn't appear the Bee Hive will do that - Jim pointed that out and that could be a concern on a heavy piece.
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Thanks, Joe, but that wasn't my idea. The photo posted by CVM in the first page or two shows the device angled across the corner. Methinks that's better than placing all the stress on the top rail.
 
Beehive Hangers said:
Hello Paul:

Thanks for the note!

I'm sure you'll love the Beehive Hangers. Sales topped 26,000 hangers last month, so they're catching on!

Herb
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26,000! In one month! Umm, do you need a good framer? ;)

Welcome to the Grumble. If used on the side rails about how wide a moulding do you need to use these hangers?
 
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