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I have very small area to set up shop, and debating using a mezzanine area for all or at least part of the shop.
Just appreciate any input for those who have worked this format.

Cons.
-Stairs a relatively steep
-May get a bit hot in summer
-Difficult to move up heavy machines

Pros
-Nice private space
-Will free up large area downstairs for gallery etc

Thinking perhaps to just do the "prepping" upstairs like mounting, cutting matts and so on and the chopping, joining, glass fitting downstairs?
 
Ok...you don't really need a gallery. If you plan to only do framing then use the space FOR framing. Are you going to be a framer or an art gallery?
Based on just your short list, I see only reasons to NOT do it.


Let's say you're upstairs working and because your chopsaw is running, you don't hear the customer come in.

Eventually, they will leave as you are ignoring them... because you don't even know they are in your store.

Plus, somone can just as easily walk in, steal something, and walk out without you even knowing they were there.

Are you going to be sizing your glass upstairs? Rememberhow heavy cases of glass get each time you have to carry it upstairs.

THEN, the odds are good that you WILL at some point break the glass as you are trying to carry it downstairs...not to mention possibly marring the mat or art. What about when you need to work on an oversized piece?

All of this is based on your statement that the stairs are steep. Not a good thing for carrying a customers suddenly valuable art.
 
I grew up working in my father's two-story (main floor + basement) frame shop / gallery. There are definite pros and cons, but I'll address these comments:


Let's say you're upstairs working and because your chopsaw is running, you don't hear the customer come in.

Eventually, they will leave as you are ignoring them... because you don't even know they are in your store.


Get an automatic doorbell/strobe. I got one in our shop. If someone walks in the front door (even if the door is left open) the motion is detected, and it triggers a strobe light / doorbell combo in the back. You can hear it, and if you are on a big saw with hearing protection, you can see it.


Plus, somone can just as easily walk in, steal something, and walk out without you even knowing they were there.

In my shop, which has a front-half gallery / back-half frame shop, we have never had any theft. Also, in my father's shop, I am unaware of anyone stealing from him, and with the basement production it was easy for someone to walk in and not be noticed (before strobe doorbells). But both my shop, and my father's shop, were in nice shopping districts, and we carry 4-figure to 5-figure priced artwork. Also, nowadays you can get a Nest Cam (formerly Dropcam) which streams a video feed to your phone. You can not only record, but you can see in real-time if someone is at your counter. I've visited neighboring businesses, and returned to my shop when I saw someone walk in on the camera.


Are you going to be sizing your glass upstairs? Rememberhow heavy cases of glass get each time you have to carry it upstairs.

THEN, the odds are good that you WILL at some point break the glass as you are trying to carry it downstairs...not to mention possibly marring the mat or art. What about when you need to work on an oversized piece?

All of this is based on your statement that the stairs are steep. Not a good thing for carrying a customers suddenly valuable art.

My father's shop had super-steep stairs. Pretty much like a 10' a-frame ladder's angle. It was skinny, steep and unpleasant to go up and down. Having said that, we did all chopping, mounting, mat cutting downstairs, then brought those items up to the first floor after they were cut. The glass was on the first floor, at a fitting-station. Since half the weight is in the glass, its best to keep that on the first floor especially since glass does not take up much room. Also, fitting on the first floor probably would help a lot. And if you're dealing with an open loft, the size of your frame won't be restricted by the stairwell, since you can carefully lower it from a loft railing.

I hope this insight on a multi-level frame shop (albeit from 30 years ago when I started) is helpful. It is totally do-able, and would certainly free up space. You would probably want a lighter saw than a Pistorius though.
 
I also have a very small frameshop, it's long and narrow and it has a small attic the previous owner also used for workspace. When I took over the shop I immediately changed things around in a way that I did not have to use the attic as workspace. The attic is poorly insulated so it's freezing in the winter and boiling hot in summer. The previous owner actually had customer's artwork up there. First of all, clambering up and down these very steep and narrow stairs with customers artwork and frames a dozen times a day = bad idea. Second of all, because of the temperature difference, artwork had to acclimatize downstairs for a few hours first before being able to work on, like mounting etc. = even worse idea. So I just use that attic as storage for stuff like readymade frames, store displays etc. I have a very small underpinner that I put on wheels, so I can stash that away in a corner when not in use. My very large and heavy cold-press is also on a cart with wheels and stashed under the design-table. So see what you can do in your shop to make the most use of the space you have and be creative in how you set it up. Feel free to check my website for my lay-out: https://www.lijstenmakerijdost.nl/winkel/
 
I also have a very small frameshop, it's long and narrow and it has a small attic the previous owner also used for workspace. When I took over the shop I immediately changed things around in a way that I did not have to use the attic as workspace. The attic is poorly insulated so it's freezing in the winter and boiling hot in summer. The previous owner actually had customer's artwork up there. First of all, clambering up and down these very steep and narrow stairs with customers artwork and frames a dozen times a day = bad idea. Second of all, because of the temperature difference, artwork had to acclimatize downstairs for a few hours first before being able to work on, like mounting etc. = even worse idea. So I just use that attic as storage for stuff like readymade frames, store displays etc. I have a very small underpinner that I put on wheels, so I can stash that away in a corner when not in use. My very large and heavy cold-press is also on a cart with wheels and stashed under the design-table. So see what you can do in your shop to make the most use of the space you have and be creative in how you set it up. Feel free to check my website for my lay-out: https://www.lijstenmakerijdost.nl/winkel/
Thanks. Is that a large heater I see?
 
I also have a very small frameshop, it's long and narrow and it has a small attic the previous owner also used for workspace. When I took over the shop I immediately changed things around in a way that I did not have to use the attic as workspace

Dimitri, you have a very nice looking shop/gallery.

I would never have an upstairs or basement shop unless I had an elevator for upstairs or a walkout for the basement. Getting equipment and materials to either place would be hard without damaging something and to take the finished product down to the main level could also be difficult without doing damage. I believe that all should be on the street level floor with a separation between gallery and and frame shop.
 
Another framer here in town does just what you're considering, and it works well. Main floor has gallery space in front, then design area with corner samples. Upstairs is the mounting press and mat cutter, with boxes of glass and fitting area. They also have a small basement, where moulding, chopper and v-nailer live.
 
Wow!! Imagine carrying those cases of glass up the stairs!!!

My knees are hurting just thinking about it!!!
 
Wow!! Imagine carrying those cases of glass up the stairs!!!

My knees are hurting just thinking about it!!!

Good point. I was describing how they're set up, but definitely do it differently. Our glass is on the main floor, in our fitting area, close to the door. First shop I worked at, it was way back in the basement. Our poor delivery guy.
 
If there is a view of the first floor from the upper floor, possibly consider a pulley system for raising and lowering glass and art.
 
I present/teach a seminar for the Awards & Personalization Association on workroom design. I go into some detail about what makes for good (efficient) workflow, including walkways and steps required to get from Process A to Process N. If someone is young and strong, they can probably take four steps in the same amount of time/energy required for this old fat man to take one.

Just playing devil's advocate a bit here...

What happens if you're partially incapacitated (still able to work, but have temporarily lost some strength/function/range in an arm or leg)? Could you still lug the materials up and down the stairs?

Someone mentioned a pulley system to do the heavy lifting for you. Done right, and with some imagination, that can be not just a labor-saver...it can be an awesome/beautiful feature of your store! It would take some effort to get it there, but it could probably be done (assuming your ceiling can be made to support the load).

Just my ramblings...

I've had two back surgeries, so I would personally avoid hauling stuff up and down stairs. Most of us aren't getting any younger, either....
 
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