Tru Vue glass question

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If it is 99% and you have a color reflection it is Museum glass which is optically coated.
 
Jeff Rodier said:
If it is 99% and you have a color reflection it is Museum glass which is optically coated.
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Thanks Jeff. I use a lot of TV Museum glass and I have always noticed it reflecting green. Do you think this is the new one that they have introduced? I am in the middle of fixing a botched Big M project and this glazing is what was used on an original oil on canvas. If it is truly Museum, I'll want to save it. Just never have noticed pink before.
 
I have noticed a couple of different hues to the color over time. If you do the scratch test to the very corner of the art side and it is coated then you have Museum. If not it has the wrong label that was applied by the BB.
 
Jeff Rodier said:
I have noticed a couple of different hues to the color over time. If you do the scratch test to the very corner of the art side and it is coated then you have Museum. If not it has the wrong label that was applied by the BB.
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Thanks. It definitely has the factory black spray on the edge that says "Tru Vue 99% UV coating..." and not applied by them. The pink hue just had me a little confounded.
 
You might want to call TV tech support. They have recently upgraded the coatings and it may have changed the tint. I haven't seen any of the new stuff yet except the samples at WCAF.
 
I just got in the sample of the new Museum Glass yesterday.

Side by side it looks fairly identical in color. Maybe 10% less reflection when I held it right next to my sample, but otherwise almost identical optics from my rudimentary review.

Pink? I know when I hold Museum at different angles I see different shades. Directly opposite a light source, blue/green. The steeper the angle of the glass, the warmer the tone.

**OK, now this is interesting.

I have a sample frame with Museum in it (standard Museum, not the new stuff). I have an LED bulb overhead. I just put it on maybe a 45 degree angle to see the bulb above. Blue/green. When I pivot my body, keeping the glass at the same angle and keeping the bulb in view the whole time, it turns from blue to pink!! So, maybe its just standard Museum. Try the same trick and tell me what you see.
 
cjmst3k said:
I just got in the sample of the new Museum Glass yesterday.

Side by side it looks fairly identical in color. Maybe 10% less reflection when I held it right next to my sample, but otherwise almost identical optics from my rudimentary review.

Pink? I know when I hold Museum at different angles I see different shades. Directly opposite a light source, blue/green. The steeper the angle of the glass, the warmer the tone.

**OK, now this is interesting.

I have a sample frame with Museum in it (standard Museum, not the new stuff). I have an LED bulb overhead. I just put it on maybe a 45 degree angle to see the bulb above. Blue/green. When I pivot my body, keeping the glass at the same angle and keeping the bulb in view the whole time, it turns from blue to pink!! So, maybe its just standard Museum. Try the same trick and tell me what you see.
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If I turn my framed example of Museum glass at a real obtuse angle, I can get it to change from green to pinkish. However the glass in question that came in was straight up pink just like all my other Museum glass is straight up green. Think I'll give TV a call on it next week.
 
I believe the color of reflection is affected by the angles of incidence and the wavelengths of light being reflected, and that is true of all anti-reflection glass and acrylic. Ambient light color may have an effect, too. That is, if any amount of natural light is involved, the color varies according to time of day.

As far as I know, the recent anti-reflection coating improvement does not involve any change to the color-correcting technology.
 
Anyone know when the new MG is available to framers from their suppliers?
 
Hmm.....
 
Availability depends on when your supplier's inventory shifts to the new version. Most suppliers use a first-in-first-out inventory system and since the boxes look exactly the same, the people pulling your orders may not know the old from the new. My first box of it arrived from our local supplier last Fall.
 
OK, I got with TV tech and here's the scoop on the mysterious Tru Vue 99% UV glass that reflects pinkish. TV has a glass that they produce for Big M that M calls "Conservation Masterpiece" and can't call Museum. It doesn't meet the reflective criteria for Museum but exceeds Conservation Clear and is still 99%. I had to get bumped up to a TV supervisor who was quite knowledgeable and helpful. So there you have it.
 
Did TV explain why it has the pink reflection?

I thought the letter Val posted here prior to 2010 from Michael's management settled whether Museum glass and Michaels privately branded Masterpiece glass were the same product.

This was sent out to all Michael's framing departments last week, in their weekly FRAMING TIPS newsletter

"Masterpiece Vs. Museum Glass: What's the Difference???
If you have been in the framing industry for a while, you have seen or heard of Museum Glass. Museum Glass is made by Tru Vue to be a top of the line glazing option available for custom framing.

Masterpiece glass is privately labeled Museum glass. It's composition and physical characteristics are identical. Masterpiece glass is manufactured exclusively for Michaels by Tru Vue. This means that it is only available for purchase at a Michaels frame shop.

What is different about these two types of glass? The cost for your frame shop to order the glass is significantly different. Masterpiece glass, orderable only through your Michaels distribution center, is priced at a discount to our stores. It is manufactured just for us, sent directly to us, therefore it is significantly less expensive.

Museum Glass is sold to frame shops all over the US and Canada. After it is manufactured it goes to our distributor, Larson Juhl, who then sells it to Michaels. It is delivered on their trucks to our stores on an emergency basis only. For this convenience, your frame shop pays significantly more for Museum glass.

Next time you place your weekly distribution center order, be sure that you order enough Masterpiece Glass to get through two weeks worth of production."

Perhaps Michaels was mistaken and should not have stated their privately branded product was identical in composition and physical characteristics to Museum Glass?

 
cjmst3k said:
Anyone know when the new MG is available to framers from their suppliers?
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I asked Gemini rep if I ordered museum which would I get. He said all their's is new.
 
Terry Scidmore CPF said:
Did TV explain why it has the pink reflection?

I thought the letter Val posted here prior to 2010 from Michael's management settled whether Museum glass and Michaels privately branded Masterpiece glass were the same product.

This was sent out to all Michael's framing departments last week, in their weekly FRAMING TIPS newsletter

"Masterpiece Vs. Museum Glass: What's the Difference???
If you have been in the framing industry for a while, you have seen or heard of Museum Glass. Museum Glass is made by Tru Vue to be a top of the line glazing option available for custom framing.

Masterpiece glass is privately labeled Museum glass. It's composition and physical characteristics are identical. Masterpiece glass is manufactured exclusively for Michaels by Tru Vue. This means that it is only available for purchase at a Michaels frame shop.

What is different about these two types of glass? The cost for your frame shop to order the glass is significantly different. Masterpiece glass, orderable only through your Michaels distribution center, is priced at a discount to our stores. It is manufactured just for us, sent directly to us, therefore it is significantly less expensive.

Museum Glass is sold to frame shops all over the US and Canada. After it is manufactured it goes to our distributor, Larson Juhl, who then sells it to Michaels. It is delivered on their trucks to our stores on an emergency basis only. For this convenience, your frame shop pays significantly more for Museum glass.

Next time you place your weekly distribution center order, be sure that you order enough Masterpiece Glass to get through two weeks worth of production."

Perhaps Michaels was mistaken and should not have stated their privately branded product was identical in composition and physical characteristics to Museum Glass?
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He did not explain the difference in reflection only that "It doesn't meet the reflective criteria for Museum but exceeds Conservation Clear". Their "Conservation Masterpiece" sounds good but certainly does not sound identical. Maybe things have changed since this was addressed in 2010. In the words of Cousin Eddie, "IIIII dunno".
 
I was also told by TV and LJ as recently as yesterday that the new Museum glass is in stock and has been shipping since before the first of the year and the boxing has not changed at all. The only old stock that may be hanging around is some of the smaller sizes that don't move as quickly. My question was how do you know if you've got the new or old? "IIIII dunno."
 
The Gilded Lily said:
My question was how do you know if you've got the new or old? "IIIII dunno."
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Oh, you'll know as soon as you put a fingerprint on it and try to clean it. Using a clean microfiber cloth, fingerprints wipe off the new version very easily, usually without the need for a liquid cleaner. It is more scratch-resistant, too.
 
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