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ArmyFramer

ArmyFramer

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I need some suggestions for hooking up a dust collection system to use with my Pistorius saw with out buying a lot of additional add ons. I bought this machine used a few years back and am just getting around to installing the 220 line in the garage. Thanks, Matt
 
Check Woodcraft.com under dust collection -- they have different size hoses and couplers. You shouldn't need anything really elaborate. The big expense is the dust collector itself.
 
Pick up the flexible hose at HD, Lowes or your local woodworking store. Heavy duty and made for the dust collectors. I paid $29 for a 12 footer. I have a Jet dual bag dust collector hooked to it.
 
Also not all dust collectors are equal! There are several types:

The most economical and biggest-selling dust collectors are the two-bag, single-stage models. Single stage means the dust is sucked through the impeller (fan) and dumped into the lower bag. The upper bag collects fine sawdust and lets the exhaust air back into the shop.

Two-stage collectors are the next step up. The motor and impeller sit atop a barrel. Chips enter the barrel and are directed downward, although the swirling air inside may occasionally move smaller chips upward. A filter bag hangs off to one side and collects the finest dust.

Two-stage cyclones are at the top of the evolutionary chain. The motor and impeller sit atop a cone-shaped canister, the cyclone, which is connected to a trash can below. Chips or other large debris enter the cyclone and swirl downward, avoiding the impeller. The longer the cyclonic chamber, the greater its effectiveness at slowing down and separating large particles. Air is filtered either by a pleated internal cartridge or by one or more felt bags hanging off to the side of the machine. Internal-cartridge cyclones use the least amount of floor space. The upper bags or cartridge filters of all collectors must be shaken out occasionally to remove fine dust.

Experts (e.g. Bill Pentz, & Anatole Burkin) agree that a two-stage cyclone is the best system. Brands include Oneida, Clear Vue, and Grizzly.

Wood Magazine recently (5/09) gave a 5 star rating to Oneida's Gorilla system.

I'd look hard at the 110 volt Mini-Gorilla. By the time you've added a wall bracket or portable stand, and drum kit you are looking at about $1,000.

Hope this helps.
 
From the voice of experience - cyclone collection is the way to go. I have canister filters (that replaced at a great expense my dual bag system) and they clog and become inefficient. If you can spend the $$, Andrew's suggestions are spot on and I wish I knew about them before I spent the money I did.

This is a SERIOUS suggestion. Be sure your dust collection hose (the hose that goes from wherever you are collecting the dust to the dust collector) is GROUNDED as well as your entire collection system. There are supplemental grounding kits that are available for this task. Where how to accomplish this task is up for debate-and there is some discussion that the bag of collected dust is also suspect.

http://www.amazon.com/PriceCutter-DUST-COLLECTION-GROUNDING-KIT/dp/B001D6QBZS is one add on system.

Here is some interesting reading: http://home.comcast.net/~rodec/woodworking/articles/DC_myths.html#who

There is much more to efficient dust collection than just hooking up some form of suction to the source of dust. There are some great articles on the internet about the subject. An efficient and safe system is the way to go. Also, where you locate the system to allow for easy disposal of the collected dust is important. You may make a huge mess just emptying the collection system and put it off it because it is hard to do. The best way is to do it before the bags/collection system gets too full -

IF you have a fire caused by a non grounded dust collection system, will your insurance cover it due to your negligence? Food for thought.
 
I don't know if this is the same kind of 2 stage that Rob is talking about, but I got a 2 HP 220 1 phase Grizzley dust collector when I set up my Brevetti saw. The dust comes out the case of the machine and is sent through a trap that consists of a 30 gallon trash can and a special lid that helps to seperate out larger and heavier items. The saw and sand dust then goes through the impeller into the bags. The trap is especially useful when using the surface plane or router bench when larger chips of wood are generated.
 
I have the cyclone below on my CTD double miter saw connected directly with 10 feet of 6 inch hose. There is no dust in the shop. It's just wonderfull. I had to cut into the saw cabinet and install a 6 inch inlet. Wish I'd done this years ago.

http://www.oneida-air.com/v3000.php
 
Thanks for all the info to digest. I'll read through it all the links. I have read some of them as I do some wood work already, just have a simple 2 bag system set up, move it from machine to machine. Looking at getting something a little more long term now that I own my own house with a 20x40 workshop.
 
The 6 inch ducting is based on the volume and velocity of the air required to capture and carry the sawdust to the cyclone.

This is a sealed system, the pleated filter is cleaned by blowing compressed air from the outside, no taking bags off to shake and make a big mess. The dust drum is removed and poured into a garbage bag. The system sits in the corner looking just like it was new, not a big dusty mess like the bag systems.

As I said before - it's wonderfull.
 
I recently picked up one of these. I chose the 1 1/2 HP model and it plugs into a 110 outlet.

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