Wizard's Integrated Framer

John Ranes II CPF GCF

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The Frame Workshop of Appleton, Inc
Originally posted by Jim Miller:
The Wizard visualization program was my choice -- can't wait to get the camera & hook it up....
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I have to agree with you Jim, in that it is also my choice and now I've gone and committed myself as well! I was quite impressed by the presentation in Atlanta.

I'll thank Mike for not only sharing his ideas and tech sources but also for making us think about the advantages of embracing technology on all levels.

I was a bit skeptic about these visualization programs -- but now I'm going to see if the concept works, as I just went online and ordered a camera that will be dedicated to this job...

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After bouncing between the S1 and the S2, I opted for the Canon Powershot S2 IS.........the optical zoom and lens quality being the deciding issue.

I also made two visits to my local IT company yesterday and today, and have them building me a new PC for this function. It will have the Pentium 4 Processor and the 1GB RAM as recommened and will sit in our customer accessable area to replace the current computer that operates our Art Information software currently.

I'll still utilize my existing 17 inch CRT monitor for the customers, but will be adding a second flat monitor along with a monitor hub, so that we can view the entire process easily as well from our side of the counter.

We will now go ahead and incorporate this new PC into our network, and add a remote keyboard and mouse. By doing it in this manner, the screen will be within the customers reach, while our staff can operate the presentation from behind the design counter.

I'll take pictures of the setup once it's completed in a couple of weeks. The only two pieces of software operating on the new PC will be Art Information and Integrated Framer. I'll keep you posted.

John

[ 09-20-2005, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: John Ranes II, CPF, GCF ]
 
Originally posted by Mike-L@GTP:
......I put an X10 device on the power supply and tied it into our shop automation system that controls the shop's other devices. (open signs, outdoor signs, perimeter lighting, compressor, vnailer, drymount press, coffee pot.......
OK Mike,

I understand the switched power above the ceiling for the camera transformer, but what is an X10 device?
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How does it function?

On a second issue: You mentioned having one monitor facing the customer and it sounds like the customer view the POS Screen as well as PIF? Is that right? Our thinking was that this might be intimidating, thus left the customer's CPU and screen with only Virtual Gallery and Integrated Framer. What are your thoughts Mike, or have I misunderstood your explanation.

Regards,

John
 
we have it set up with a product called "ultramon". This lets you do your thing on the workside monitor and then shoot it to the customers monitor. this way your pos is not visable to them.
 
John,

I understand the switched power above the ceiling for the camera transformer, but what is an X10 device? How does it function?
It's similar to a lamp timer, but is remotely controlled by a central brain. The devices send on/off commands to each other through the power lines, at a different frequency. Each device has a unique address so it can be individually controlled. see www.x10.com or www.smarthome.com

I have been using them to automate our home and businesses for about 20 years. In the shop we use this technology for security, lighting, and safety. For example, it knows the exact sunset and sundown times each day and turns the lights on accordingly. It turns parking lot lights off at 1:30 am. Five minutes before the shop opens, it turns on the house lights, OPEN neon sign, floods, computer screens, digital house music, cctv camera, wizard, laser printers, PIF camera, changes the temperature, etc. It reverses this when we close. 60 minutes after we close, it changes the temperature offset, and turns off power to all major equipment in the back room - JUST IN CASE. (dry mount press, compressor in basement, coffee pot, saws, power strips at worktables, vacuum system, etc). There have been times where the drymount press was mistakenly left on, and another when the compressor blew a hose over a weekend. We did this in case of fire.

Our alarm system also ties into the X10 system and will blink certain devices to attract attention and scare off any intruders. The system pages my cell phone, after calling the alarm company, with detailed information about where the potential break was and is. (as they walk to a new zone, ill get another page telling me which one, etc)

Overkill? Probably! But I like toys.
This is a very inexpensive technology. The brain is about $60 and the modules for each power strip are about $10.

On a second issue: You mentioned having one monitor facing the customer and it sounds like the customer views the POS Screen as well as PIF? Is that right? Our thinking was that this might be intimidating, thus left the customer's CPU and screen with only Virtual Gallery and Integrated Framer. What are your thoughts Mike, or have I misunderstood your explanation.
No. With our PIF setup, i'm able to send JUST the final result to the client monitor. LifeSaver financials and the picture taking and 5 click process remain only on the private screen. While they're waiting, they see a slide that has positively worded store policies. When it's ready for their consumption, I just hit a single function key to send it over to the other monitor.

When the computer isnt being used, a random slide show kicks in automatically (screen saver) that shows 75 slides. The slides promote optional services and treatments, show some of the more popular lines, and give the client information about the shop and its benefits.

We're using 2 video cards, 2 monitors, and a handy shareware program to tie it all together.

Best regards,
Mike
 
Thanks Dave,

I'm looking at the Ultramon website, and it appears that I can move windows easily with this software on a multi-monitor system. But it doesn't tell me if I can do this across a network? It mentions using up to 10 monitors, so I would assume perhaps?

Mike,

OK....I just added a project for October. Add X10 throughout our shop. This has got to beat the 9-10 digital timers that I have placed around the shop, each needing mantainance every so often! :( Cheaper too!

On the issue of client monitors views, we're in agreement that we don't really need for them to see the POS at all. But I guess I don't mind them seeing the "construction" element of the visualization software. Especially now that I've learned that I'll be able to pull up Virtual Gallery images and import those to Integrated Framer. This enchancement could potentially increase print orders as well as framing.

Thanks to you both.

John
 
I want one!~
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This is soooooo cool!~I can't believe more have not been talking about it!~ This is hands down one of the best I have seen!~
The idea you can select the mats and the frames from your corner samples and do not have to have them downloaded from manufacturer or whoever!~
Ultramon, x10 cotton pickin' geek goooose bumps!~

John if you were not so far away I would come and help you do the install gratis!~!~

John how has it gone?
 
Originally posted by GUMBY, GCF:
John if you were not so far away I would come and help you do the install gratis!~!~

John how has it gone?
James,

I hooked up for dinner one evening this past weekend in Chicago with Jim Miller at the Gemini Open House and we discussed the different ways / ideas to utilize this software.

I'll keep you posted on the install with pictures as well.

John
 
I'm waiting now for the camera mounting kit to arrive, and then I'll have it fully functional. The off-brand AC adapter recommended by the camera seller didn't work, so the Canon adapter I ordered should be here tomorrow.

So far I plan to manually turn around the monitor on our main design table when the design comes up on-screen. It is a convenient viewing point from the customer's side of the table. I would like to know more about Ultramon. Does it work across a LAN, or do the monitors need to be on separate video cards in one computer, or is there a switch involved, or some other arrangement? Is sending the image to a remote monitor a single-key toggling function, or is it more complicated than that?

Has anyone tried projecting the imaging-created frame design on the wall with a DLP or LCD projector? That would require a bare wall spot with reduced light, but I think a full-size image of the finished framing could be extraordinarily impressive.
 
Jim how about a pull down screen that would come down in front of your moulding samples rather than a fixed screen or bare wall!~

John I will see you when you visit Ohio for the PPFA chapter meeting oct 24th
 
Originally posted by GUMBY, GCF:
Jim how about a pull down screen that would come down in front of your moulding samples rather than a fixed screen or bare wall!~

John I will see you when you visit Ohio for the PPFA chapter meeting oct 24th
Interesting idea. But are you talking about an LCD pull down screen or a regular (fabric, I guess) screen that is usually used with a projector??

Last weekend I tested the new PIF demo at home and it really works great. I just dread all the mounting / wires / adapters / USB extenders / power cables on the ceiling....I wish there was a wireless option!
 
What I don't understand about the whole PIF idea is how do you display color correctly. There's no way the mat color or the colors in what's being framed or even the frame's color will be accurate. At least you'd need a monitor you could calibrate, a calibrating device, software and a camera you could profile. Too, the lighting would have to be kept constant for a camera profile to work. Also, monitors capable of being calibrated and displaying accurate color are expensive; an entry level CRT monitor,a Sony Artisan, is around $1400. Even then, you couldn't expect the colors to be more than, say, 90% accurate. Sure, the system will display a vague idea of what the finished job will look like, but the colors will be different and color is important, way important.
 
One added benefit to either system : is...once you have it all "wired up" is that you now have a place to take pictures of the art as it comes in. ....
folds, wrinkles, tears, smudges...there is a visual record now.
Mike told me about ultramon and we use a 2 monitor system ... We do the designing with the image behind the counter then hit F9 and wah-lah!! it is on the 19 inch monitor for the customer...( they think I am a bloomin' genious) :D


If I can do this anyone can.
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Hi Warren:

I really don't think the color would be an issue.

For testing purposes (I am using the demo right now), 2 days ago I used Canon A95 (I paid around $300 for it, I believe, a few months ago).

This is the same camera I used 2 weeks ago on a short vacation and produced spectacular photos, with excellent color saturation. This camera was detected by the software correctly, by the way. and the resulting PIF test pictures were quite good.

I really doubt you'll have a %100 color accuracy with any camera or software (unless you spend accordingly), but the results with PIF and a similar camera would be quite good indeed.
 
I definately agree Warren, you're never really going to accurately display the finished product on a CRT, even less on a LCD.

But the beauty of it is that for most customers you don't need to.

Since the art and samples are captured together at the same time with the same input device, all the colors shown on the monitor are off relative to one another. So while the mat sample looks slightly more blue (for example) on screen, so does your art. Its a pretty easy stretch for most people to map the actual colors that they see right in front of them to the colors they see on screen.

The visualization systems are really intended to help the customer see the finished product and make broad choices about which colors they want. If they're the type that spend 30 minutes contemplating which off-white looks best then visualization probably isn't going to help much, other than possibly using it to upsell mat designs (like ovals or other Wizard templates, and v-grooves) and choosing border and reveal widths.
 
dang, you beat me Paul.. I gotta type faster (or quit being interrupted while I'm surfing)..
 
Check your email Eric..
 
Steve, would that it were so that all the colors shown on the monitor would be off the same relative to their true color, but it isn't, mainly because the dyes/pigments in the mats will reflect light differently than those in the image being framed. It would also be wonderful if inaccurate color rendering were linear but that, too, isn't the case. It's a tough problem and a whole industry is working on solving it.

Paul, we tend to see what we want to see and can be happy with the way a $300 camera captures color, but I can tell you it's capture probably isn't even close to the original. To be close, the camera has to be profiled with a target of know values and a particular white point. A change in lighting and, consequently, the white point, and the camera becomes inaccurate. Even with strictly controlled lighting and the best capture device, the best that anyone could hope for would be somewhere around 80% to 90% accuracy. To get close, color correction is always necessary.

We talk about how crucial good design is to our trade, and since color is crucial to design, I still see a big problem with a design tool that can't display accurate color.

Steve, there's a reason people pay $6,000 for a Barco monitor and $60,000 and up for an accurate capture device. Surely you're familar with Wizard's attempt to reproduce color in the da Vinci software; the colors on the screen where nowhere near the colors da Vinci printed out. In order to know what color was going to print out you had to first print out the pallet and use it to select color and ignore what the monitor showed. Well, there's about the same inaccuracy between what a camera will capture and display on a monitor and what a human being will see.

Accurate color representation is very difficult because color is device dependent. The numbers a digital device uses to describe colors are meaningless until they're interpreted by a particular device: camera, monitor, printer, scanner, and every device interprets them differently. There is a whole highly technical field called color managment that attempts to get devices on the same page.
 
Yeah again Warren I'm in complete agreement, and that's what I told everyone at the Atlanta show - color management and calibration is a whole other beast in itself and way beyond the scope of Integrated Framer.

But like I said, IF is not for people who find it necessary (and have the means) to get the bajillion dollar color management system. It's a quick, inexpensive, and simple solution for 95% of the problem - giving the customer a general idea of the finished product and helping them make a decision. It's not supposed to be a 100% accurate representation, it's just a sales tool.

I'd love to be able to one day capture an image from a camera and use a color eye-dropper to grab colors from the artwork and have the software pull a list of mat SKUs. But obviously that's a long way off. However just 5 or 6 years ago I was saying that a cheap 4 mega-pixel PC controlled digital camera was way off too, and now you can get them for under $300.. so who knows..


I can send you a demo too Warren if you'd like to take a look..
 
Hi guys,

I was the Director of Color Managment for Eastman Kodak for a number of years. had MANY software engineers and color scientists working on exactly this problem. We built the first color management suystem that went in windows. As Warren points out the light is critical. Even with systems costing in the 6-digit range the lighting that the piece is viewed in must be strictly controlled for a good color match. It is possible to setup and calibrate a system so that what you see, scan, view, and print are the same. (UNDER CONTROLLED VIEWING CONDITIONS!)

For this reason I have been EXTREMELY skeptical of any system where color was important. In this case however, I am beginning to see the value of being able to show "total" design sans-color. By that I don't mean B&W, I mean the ability to show the "other aspects" of the design.

If we try hard to get the customer to pick color on the table and design on the monitor, it might well improve the "shopping experience" which could be a win. I still am uncomfortable with the time/result benefit I have seen so far. (I have only looked at PIF) Steve, maybe you could send me a demo also? ;)

Cliff
 
Thanks Steve.

Warren, you are very correct in your technical assesment of the issue of color accuracy. And Cliff, well what can I say. You understood the issue before many of us were even aware it was a problem.

IMHO, this is not about selling the IMAGE of a frame that is displayed on the screen. It is about selling the real frame.

When you go to a car showroom you will read the brouchure, watch the video at the kiosk, and maybe take a test drive (does anyone still do the overnight test drive?) But up to that point the only thing you have to go on is that you WANT to own the car. That's it. You still do not have the experience of walking out of your house, getting in and starting the engine, backing out of the drive, and hitting the highway to get to the shop. That's called OWNING it. And any limitation of the video monitor or the brouchure was never a factor.

What we deliver to the customer is in no way represented or limited by the camera/lighting/monitor capabilities. We are not hitting a button and the computer spits out the frame. If what was on the screen was the total sum of what we were selling the customer, then color would be the end all factor.

I think at that point, then we would be called publishers - not framers
 
Originally posted by Jim Miller:
I'm waiting now for the camera mounting kit to arrive, and then I'll have it fully functional.....
Jim,

My computer is being delivered and installed tomorrow morning. I have the mounting kit, but still waiting for the camera to arrive. :rolleyes: We should have worked on this together!

John
 
It's ridiculous to raise color reproduction as an issue with this product! The actual colors will be in front of the customer on the table that is being photographed. DOH!

Wonderful product - how do I get a demo? What equipment is needed to see the demo and what is the pricing?

Pat :D
Victory Frame Shop, Lafayette, NJ 07848
 
Can you show multy openings with this software?

If you can print the image, would you give it to the customer?

Thinking out loud here, I see the customer:
1) Taking the picture to your competition for price shopping.
2) And if the color correction is off more than say 10%, the customer MIGHT hold it against you because is not an accurate representation of the picture you gave them.
 
Originally posted by Rogatory:
Can you show multy openings with this software?
David,

This was a concern I had with both Visualization packages, as a long distance, E-commerce customer found us and needed us to send .jpg images of potential designs - Yes: All three designs were mulitple openings. :D

I am told by the Wizard folks that this area will be addressed in the future, as it is an important feature that will make the software even more important and powerful.

If you can print the image, would you give it to the customer?
Absolutely! A color printer is being installed by our consumer monitor, and we plan to print the design and attach this to work order receipts for customers who have given us an order. So when this nice lady takes the paperwork home to her husband, he has something more to look at than just the $389. bottom line on the receipt! :D

...Thinking out loud here, I see the customer:
1) Taking the picture to your competition for price shopping....
That's a valid concern, and I think we might selectively decide to whom we print off designs.

What we do plan on doing, is running our cable TV ads showing that when you visit other framers including Big Boxes A & B you get this a sample of what the finished product will look like. When you visit The Frame Workshop, they give you this as a sample of what the finished frame will look like. I plan to use the visualization software as a marketing tool.

... And if the color correction is off more than say 10%, the customer MIGHT hold it against you because is not an accurate representation of the picture you gave them.
Perhaps a simple disclaimer on the bottom of the printed form will solve this issue.

John
 
Originally posted by JudyN:
...Mike told me about ultramon and we use a 2 monitor system ... We do the designing with the image behind the counter then hit F9 and wah-lah!! it is on the 19 inch monitor for the customer...
Judy,

As only a handful of framers have incorporated these programs to date, is it possible for you to upload images of your design counter with this software in place? I'll do the same, shortly. I think folks would like to see the physical setups.

John
 
John: is it possible for you to upload images of your design counter with this software in place? I'll do the same, shortly. I think folks would like to see the physical setups.
This is our dual monitor Picture It First setup, w/two LCDs on a single PC that also has the LifeSaver POS. (youll see the POS is on one, and a visualization image on the other) The client one (which now has a frame) is 17" LCD and the staff monitor is 15" LCD.

Ultramon manages our monitors, which also display a powerpoint type slide show between customers - and store policies while working with a client.

It has been well received.

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and from the customer side:
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Mike
 
Mike:

Do you know if I can use Ultramon in conjunction with a KVM switch? We're using 2 towers, one keyboard, one mouse and one monitor to run our POS and internet - POS is NOT connected to the net. We'd like to run IF on the POS tower, and run a second customer monitor showing IF -- sim. to your setup. Ultramon would take care of this if it won't cause problems with the KMV swith we're using.

BTW your setup looks great - can't wait until our is up and running this weekend.

Tony
 
Ultramon is software to manage 2 or more monitors connected to the same PC, with multiple video cards/plugs on the back. It will only control items inside the PC you are working on, and won't work over a network or control a switching device.

I would check with Wizard to see what their recommended configuration is for this type of setup. When I researched this setup, it was specifically tested for and with PIF/LifeSaver. While I have tried WIF/IF, I didn't try it here at the shop in our 2 monitor environment.

Steve will likely have better answers and suggestions.

Mike

PS: I'll tell you one thing. If you don't have visualization software, you should check out the various product demos and consider it. We have had ours over 6 months and it paid for itself in less than a week. It's a fantastic sales tool, and is well received by clients.
 
Tony, the KVM and Ultramon should work fine as long as the two monitors you plan to use with Ultramon are both connected to the same CPU. The KVM will just leave the second monitor alone (assuming of course that you plug the KVM cable into the primary monitor's port).

Yeah, I agree with Mike, Ultramon is the way to go with a dual monitor setup. I've been using two monitors at work since 98 came out, and I should have downloaded a tool like Ultramon a looong time ago (I realy like that it gives me a new separate task bar just for the second monitor.. very cool). Like Mike's said before, you can setup a separate background just for the monitor that's shown to the customer and then selectively show and hide screens. Very cool, and worth the $39 bucks..
 
Just got my system up and running yesterday. It's wonderful, but I had to spend HOURS getting the camera's angle just right. A degree or two makes a huge difference when it's mounted 9 feet above the table.

I have not addressed the double-monitor issue yet, and I might not bother. Our primary LCD monitor is in a perfect position to simply turn around when we have the display up, and then turn it back around when we need to twiddle further.

The Lieberman Art Explorer is playing on a notebook computer on the adjacent table, with a remote LCD monitor and wireless mouse & keyboard facing the customers, and for their use.

Could I hook up that other LCD monitor ue with both computers? How about Ultramon and a switch? I could easily put a second video card in the main computer.
 
I’m quite frugal. However this is one scenario that I think it’s often best to get a dedicated computer. Rarely do we want our customers to see our POS computer. So we have already arranged our setups accordingly. Now we have software that, strangely enough, we want the customers to see.

I have used both PIF and WIF and neither seems to require rocket fast computers. Usually digital graphics are heck on a PC but this software doesn’t seem to be. These days you can get whole computer systems from Dell for the price of the extra monitor alone. I would certainly consider that first. If you still decide to go with a dual monitor setup, you get a free new computer.

Carry on.
 
Originally posted by Rogatory:
Can you show multy openings with this software?

If you can print the image, would you give it to the customer?

Thinking out loud here, I see the customer:
1) Taking the picture to your competition for price shopping.
2) And if the color correction is off more than say 10%, the customer MIGHT hold it against you because is not an accurate representation of the picture you gave them.
I wouldn't print out a picture for the reasons you mentioned and because it adds another level of cost (color printer, ink, special paper, etc) and frustration.

We'd have to tell the customer there is no print option and we don't print for confidentiality reasons....(the competition might steal our framing ideas!).

It is bad enough some customers are running around with our samples to price them around.
 
Judy,
As only a handful of framers have incorporated these programs to date, is it possible for you to upload images of your design counter with this software in place? I'll do the same, shortly. I think folks would like to see the physical setups.
John
Judy asked me to host & post these pics on her behalf. This is her Picture It First dual monitor configuration at the design counter:

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Mike so coolllll!~

I have question for WiZ!~

Can you design using say inline oval samples and make it into an oval frame? How about octagons?
 
The print out picture is a good idea!~ The picture would never leave the store without a signed order!~
I only print it and would use it as a idea book on the counter!~
 
Gumby, octagons and other frame styles that involve linear sections joined at different angles are possible as I can rotate the frame texture 360 degress. Closed-corner frames are also possible as we just need to capture the closed corner region and lay that on top of the tiled frame texture.

Ovals and other curved sections are much more difficult as I would have to add the ability to mask out the interior of the frame somehow. I do have a couple ideas I'd like to try though so I'm not precluding that from ever happening. I would probably have to support specific vendors though instead of a generic solution.


And in reference to printing out the picture for the customer, I've heard talk about printing out a full exact-size copy on a large format printer for a deposit, and the customer can take the full-size copy home and hang it on their wall to see how it's going to look.. kinda towards the other extreme of this feature.
 
Originally posted by WizSteve:
I've heard talk about printing out a full exact-size copy on a large format printer for a deposit, and the customer can take the full-size copy home and hang it on their wall to see how it's going to look.
So that's why color rendition is not high on the priority list....they won't even need "framers" any more, just hang pictures of (framed) pictures on your walls
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A glass-topped design table is good for several reasons, but a poor background for photography.

Since gray is supposed to be a good background color, I replaced my glass tabletops with light gray Sintra. At $30 per 4x8 sheet, it looks great, cleans up nicely, and is easily replaceable when it wears out. Its surface is a flat finished, rather soft plastic; durable, but can be scratched.
 
We use an indoor outdoor carpet much like what we used on the walls for the corner samples!~ It has a loop texture to it & it comes in grey!~ . Most carpet stores have it including HomeDepo
 
Originally posted by Jim Miller:
A glass-topped design table is good for several reasons, but a poor background for photography.

Since gray is supposed to be a good background color, I replaced my glass tabletops with light gray Sintra. At $30 per 4x8 sheet, it looks great, cleans up nicely, and is easily replaceable when it wears out. Its surface is a flat finished, rather soft plastic; durable, but can be scratched.
I am in the process of replacing the counter top and you idea is quite good. Where do yo get your Sintras, by the way?

Very timely idea Jim, Thanks!
 
Sintra is available from most plastic sheet & tube distributors and sign-making suppliers. I think dark gray would be better, but could get only light gray when I needed it from stock this time.

Next time I will shop in advance for sheets of ABS plastic, which has a more pebbly, but still flat-finished syrface texture. I think it might be harder and a bit more scratch resistant. My local suppliers had it only in black & white and I'm not sure gray is even available, though.

There's a side benefit to a plastic table top -- static works to flatten rolled posters! The downside is that it also attracts dust, but we clean the tables throughout the day anyway.

I will no longer have carpet-covered tables in my shop, for two reasons:

1. The carpet's cushy surface could allow a yardstick, pen, or other pointy object to puncture artwork by accident, and

2. Carpet's nap holds all kinds of nasties, such as glass shards & abrasive dirt.

Gimme a hard surface I can wipe clean.
 
Argh, after two weeks I'm still waiting for the camera to arrive from Amazon.com. I was hoping to have setup Integrated Framer here at the shop I work at on Saturdays by now.. (turns out that we entered the boss's exp date on the credit card wrong and Amazon kept dropping the order.. I should have used my email address instead of hers.. doh!)

My boss is doing a major Jay-Goltzish renevation soon too - hardwood floors, new carpet, redoing the backroom layout.. but she wants marble tile countertops. I'm not sure, at least its a flat finish. Is she crazy, or will tiled counters be OK?
 
Tiled top might be a blessing. They have lines. Those lines can be good references. The worst thing I've noticed by far is getting moulding square with the camera.

My dream surface for a design counter is raw leather. No worry about scratches and its soft. It doesn't hide items. It would age beautifully.
 
Yes Jay H leather would be nice, but as I am sure Jim Miller will point out!~ It also habors acids from the tanning process, allow shards of glass to embed themselves!~ It will show rings where you leave your coffee cup sitting!~ But you will not have to worry about static build up!~
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Who said you can't learn some thing new everyday?

Well I just went to the Ohio PPFA meeeting & finished attaching 4 jerseys to their backings.
Thanks to John RanesII 12 inch feet, Bob Mayfield's Digital camera and my 66" of pure muscle!~ We have found out that it takes approximatly 6' of distance to capture a 60" wide piece of art!~ Not exact but close!~ Which means I am going to design a two foot high design table with hydraulic lifts. LOL

I t would be nice to have conformation on this so if anyone has on eset up let me know!~
 
Originally posted by GUMBY, GCF:
We have found out that it takes approximatly 6' of distance to capture a 60" wide piece of art
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Gumby, I finally got a chance this morning to measure..

With our Canon S2, 80" between camera lens and table I can capture 77" wide. Better than I expected.

What model camera did Bob Mayfield have?
 
WizSteve good question I will have to ask him what model it was and the lens on it!~ If I did the math correctly 62" would give me a 64" max view area!~
If you were wonder why I asked that!~ 40 x 60 is the most common oversize mat board that we use!`

Another searching question: What features does the camera have to have in order to be compatible with this system?

Question two: I have an agfa photo 780 in digital camera sense it is an antigue!~ Would this work with the demo software?~

David thanks for reminding me w i d e a n g l e!~ If I did not have to go to the extra cost why do it!~ I think the wide angle lens for those things run about $200-$300 ugh!~
 
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