Windows 7 vs. Vista (already?... ahhhhh)

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ahohen1

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"Window 7" vs. Vista

Sounds great, BUTT, how many screw-ups will it have when it is released? Will it be better than Vista? Of course. Will it be better than WinXP? Well, WinXP is better than Vista and they know it! That is why they are trying to come out with something better (better than Vista). (Microsoft: Parachute jumping? Then, pull the cord to open the chute BEFORE you see the ants in the grass....) :bdh:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/108558/windows-7-has-its-coming-out-party/
http://gizmodo.com/5069661/windows-7-walkthrough-boot-video-and-impressions
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152898/in_pictures_whats_new_in_windows_7.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081028-first-look-at-windows-7.html
 
Theres NOTHING wrong with Vista, in my opinion. I have used it on my home pc and my laptop, for nearly 2 years now. It improved upon XP, as XP did on the version before it. There are still naysayers out there who hate XP and claim that Windows 98 SE (or even DOS) is superior and faster. (those are faster, because they were designed to run on older technology; with fewer features)

The only thing you could probably say is that the security may be TOO tight(almost annoying, when you make major changes it asks you to confirm). It was mainly the victim of a negative and successful ad campaign by Apple :) The ad about the security guard was cute, though, and I agree.

Windows 7 is Vista with a few improvements. The same Vista drivers will work, there will be fewer security pop up requests, it will manage memory a bit quicker, it will add some touch screen features, improved boot time, and they're chopping out some of the included programs (outlook express, etc) to make it smaller. They claim it will install on a new pc in less than 10 minutes.

Vistas improvements were large enough to need newly designed drivers, and a lot of vendors (Canon, etc) didn't step up to the plate in time, in spite of having a beta for a year in advance. This gave some folks with older hardware a bad impression. Windows 7 works with the same Vista drivers, and by then the vendors will have had 3 years to get their acts together with working drivers :) I don't think the disruption will be as bad, because of this.

The pre beta is out now, and the real beta is due in late December/Early January. They want to release it a year from now, in time for the holiday season, but it'll probably get delayed until 2009 if history repeats itself.

Vista SP2 will also be out sometime from March-August of 2009, to add blu-ray support and some other new features/improvements.

What problems have you had with Vista not to like it?

Mike
 
Mike Labbe @ GTP said:
Theres NOTHING wrong with Vista, in my opinion. I have used it on my home pc and my laptop, for nearly 2 years now. It improved upon XP, as XP did on the version before it. There are still naysayers out there who hate XP and claim that Windows 98 SE (or even DOS) is superior and faster. (those are faster, because they were designed to run on older technology; with fewer features)

The only thing you could probably say is that the security may be TOO tight(almost annoying, when you make major changes it asks you to confirm). It was mainly the victim of a negative and successful ad campaign by Apple :) The ad about the security guard was cute, though, and I agree.

Windows 7 is Vista with a few improvements. The same Vista drivers will work, there will be fewer security pop up requests, it will manage memory a bit quicker, it will add some touch screen features, improved boot time, and they're chopping out some of the included programs (outlook express, etc) to make it smaller. They claim it will install on a new pc in less than 10 minutes.

Vistas improvements were large enough to need newly designed drivers, and a lot of vendors (Canon, etc) didn't step up to the plate in time, in spite of having a beta for a year in advance. This gave some folks with older hardware a bad impression. Windows 7 works with the same Vista drivers, and by then the vendors will have had 3 years to get their acts together with working drivers :) I don't think the disruption will be as bad, because of this.

The pre beta is out now, and the real beta is due in late December/Early January. They want to release it a year from now, in time for the holiday season, but it'll probably get delayed until 2009 if history repeats itself.

Vista SP2 will also be out sometime from March-August of 2009, to add blu-ray support and some other new features/improvements.

What problems have you had with Vista not to like it?

Mike
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You asked: What problems have you had with Vista not to like it? I have had no problems at all with Vista because i never had it. Why don't i like it or the majority of people who DO have it hate it? You can find info on the internet or ask almost anyone who works on and services computers. Why the majority of major companies would not touch Vista with a stick? Problems, problems, problems.....:fire: You said "Windows 7 is Vista with a few improvements". Why Microsoft always come out with a new program with a bunch of screw-ups, THEN come out with another program to replace the previous instead of fixing the 1000000... problems in the other? (I guess it would be too confusing for them.)
 
ahohen1 said:
Why don't i like it or the majority of people who DO have it hate it? )
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Can you actually back up that assertion?

Mike, thanks for the heads up, but I'm beginning to think that any posting with the word "Vista" in it belongs in Warped with religion and politics.

Seriously, I think that one of the problems with a new operating system (PC and Mac) is that the new code often requires updated programs and hardware. Improvements always come with some cost in compatibility. Hardware vendors were slow in making Vista drivers available, but everyone forgets that the same thing happened with XP and previous versions of Windows. I have several perfectly good HP printers that I can't use because HP never updated the drivers to XP - go figure. My personal recommendation with new operating systems is that unless you need the upgrade (i.e., for security or enterprise compatibility) don't install the new version on old hardware that is functioning correctly. And don't buy new hardware with the old version (with an occasional exception like the one caused by Canon's failure to update drivers).
 
I upgraded to Vista, on my PC ... my MAC still works great and always has... and I find nothing wrong with it other then there is very little support for 64 bit. It runs smooth and flawlessly. I don't see any issues worth complaining about.
 
4 of my 5 computers run Vista. I have had very few problems that are aresult of Vista and not software from 3rd party vendors.

As far as the whole Mac vs Windows argument I don't understand how people can compare a $400 Windows computer to a $1500 Mac. It just doesn't make any sense.

Have any Mac users tried a $1500 Vista computer. You would be shocked at what they will do.
 
So you're complaining because Windows can't be built to withstand all the future viruses, and cyber attacks. That when they find a flaw they fix it and try to make it stronger? My computer was built in 2001. It's running XP SP2 (SP3 wouldn't load..) I'm glad XP has been updated a few times since then!

You using a POS? I'm using LifeSaver. Every week I run the update, and usually get a program update as well as price updates. I am glad for the updated versions of the software. If I had to wait to get the features I wanted then buy the program I doubt it would ever have seen the light of day. POS updates are looked at as enhancements and improvements, and reactions to user suggstions and comments. If Windows stayed static then we'd all have Macs, and that would be a bad thing! ;)
 
Pat Murphey said:
Can you actually back up that assertion?

Mike, thanks for the heads up, but I'm beginning to think that any posting with the word "Vista" in it belongs in Warped with religion and politics.

Thanks! I keep asking people who HATE vista,Why what problems have YOU had? I haven`t had an answer,yet.Oh I get sent to sites where forum posts,and chat rooms mention they hate vista as well....But no actual"WEll it did this,or wouldn`t do that" answers. For the record....I have NO trouble with vista on either computer,so far so good...If that changes,believe me...i`ll squawk about it. L.
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Luddite said:
See,another link...I want to hear first hand. L.:bdh:(BTW,read that one before...still bout as clear as mud...What specifically went wrong,oh users....)
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http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/1...-it-up-to-you/ ::::

Microsoft: We’re Sorry, but We’ll Make it Up to You
October 28, 2008 by Dave in The Pit Blog

When Steve Sinofsky took the stage on Tuesday at the Microsoft Professional Developer Conference, the senior vice president was willing to confess some past sins with Vista. His presentation was the first public demonstration of the new Windows 7 user interface, and showed how Microsoft intends to change Windows 7 to fix the problems that exist in Vista, and indeed in earlier versions of Windows.

Even Microsoft can’t hide or ignore the cold reception that Vista has received. Sinofsky identified a few key things that caused problems. First, the Windows “ecosystem”, the third-party software, hardware, and user training, wasn’t ready for the extensive changes that came in Vista. The driver model changed, which caused lots of hardware headaches at launch. The User Account Control (UAC) feature broke applications and frustrated users who hadn’t seen the behavior in XP. Windows 7 doesn’t make any changes to the ecosystem, and provides additional ways that users can reduce the number of UAC prompts without turning it off completely.

Sinofsky introduced Julie Larson-Green, who demonstrated some of the most visible changes in the Windows 7 user interface. There’s a new taskbar that combines icons for running programs, non-running programs, and recently-used programs. It’s similar in some ways to the Apple dock, but has a few other features such as window preview. The taskbar now lets you drag and drop icons to reorder them to suit your taste, rather than being grouped by type or in left-to-right order based on when you started them. Users now have a lot more control over the notification area, those annoying little icons next to the clock at the right side of the tray. You can now select not only whether the icon itself appears, but how and whether its message balloons pop up.

Vista got a reputation for being bloated and slow. Sinofsky says Microsoft is addressing that by focusing on fundamentals. The development group is working to decrease memory usage, disk I/O, and power consumption, and to increase boot speed, responsiveness, and CPU scalability. He held up a tiny netbook with a 1GHz CPU and 1GB of RAM, and said that the current Windows 7 beta runs well on that hardware using only about half the available RAM.

At this point, Microsoft still can’t be nailed down on release dates. A pre-beta will be handed out to PDC attendees, but Sinofsky wouldn’t go any further than to say that the feature-complete public beta will be available “early next year” and the final product will be shipped “approximately three years after the general availability of Windows Vista.” That would put the ship date in late 2009 or early 2010, although a ship date any later than about September of this year would mean Microsoft would again miss the critical holiday sales season, just like they did with Vista.
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Mike Labbe @ GTP said:
Theres NOTHING wrong with Vista, in my opinion.
Mike
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My Dell XPS 1330 came with Vista Business and I am reasonably happy with it.
A couple of things annoy the heck out of me.
The UAC is probably the most annoying. I have it turned off and it still annoys me by popping up a warning that it's turned off every so often.
The other annoyance is when copying a file or a group of files to another drive, it takes way too long and spends as much ore more time 'calculating the time remaining' than actually copying. I would prefer it to forget about calculating the time remaining and just get on with copying the steeeeenking files!

One more annoyance, and this may not be entirely Vista's fault, is that I can't allow it to update Windows. I have allowed this to happen on three or four occasions in almost a year and the whole thing crashes to a blue screen of death and will not restart without inserting the Vista CD and doing a system restore to before the update.

Apart from those things, I quite like Vista.
 
HMMM,I`d have a nice chat with my Computer`s manufacturer...Never heard of not being able to update Widows. Both of mine auto update Windows easily,and until recently(caught up-finally)pretty routinely. New one to me......L.
 
OOH...27 seconds vs 34 ......Is a few seconds saved in boot-up really worth a whole blog? Mine is on 24/7,unless I`m away for a whole weekend,or more anyhow! L.:bdh:<Indeed!
 
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