When to vary mat margins?

Wanta B.Framer

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I have (on occasion) used a weighted bottom with a square image, in reference to the golden section. Other framers I have noticed do all sorts of crazy things with their mat margins. Wider side margins, top and bottom etc. I do find it to be a more interesting approach, but what is the reasoning behind varying mat margins? Is it purely intuitive or is their some design theory that would apply? This probably has been covered before, however archive searches only yield key words (!). That's not entirely useful with as often as mats are referenced.
 
Just intuitive.

I've sometimes had narrower margins on the two sides, a little wider on the top and weighted even wider on the bottom. Gives a kind of scroll look and sometimes works ...especially on oriental prints.
 
Hmmm it would seem I must improve my 'bullshitting' then. Some people need to have every little element explained in detail, but it really just comes down to, 'does it look good?'

I read that you(?) put an extra 1/8" on the bottom to account for 'settling' in the frame. I love that idea, but since I work with other people I can foresee it backfiring.
 
There are no design "rules" ...just guidelines.
 
Hmmm it would seem I must improve my 'bullshitting' then. Some people need to have every little element explained in detail, but it really just comes down to, 'does it look good?'

I read that you(?) put an extra 1/8" on the bottom to account for 'settling' in the frame. I love that idea, but since I work with other people I can foresee it backfiring.

Personally, I explain it all as 'personal preference'. Example: photographer sells panoramic 23x7.5 and recommends 3" white on white mat all around, I prefer 2" with 2.5" bottom, white on black core. I always show the customer both options and I would say it is 50/50 for all the ones I have done in past 4 years. Also, the "weighted" bottom is easily explained as perspective.
 
We pretty much always have a slightly weighted bottom - due to when the picture is hanging on the wall it optically corrects - where if you have the same amount all round , when hanging, the base appears thinner to the eye.

Having said that, it's all about design and trend - i personally prefer to have an obviously larger amount at the bottom when I'm framing etchings and aquatints.

Had a customer in yesterday with watercolours that insisted we have 190mm each side and 60mm top and bottom.....my response...."yes sir no sir three bags full sir" grit teeth and try to explain why then your eye would divert to framing and not artwork..then just charge a PIA (Price Increase Adjustment) fee and do what he wants anyway....sigh....all that money, and no taste or discernment!
 
Optical illusion: you can see that you get paid for giving them the illusion that they are special and you have shared the time honored secret of fine framing.....
 
The "weighting" of matting at the bottom of framed pictures, documents, etc. began during the Victorian era. People hung framed pieces from thin strips of moulding that traversed their walls parallel to the high ceilings (I can't remember what they were called, but they were similar to what we still call "chair rails") from thin wires, or cords. The distance between the attached wire, and the hanging piece was significant, therefore caused the framed piece to sort of hang out from the top. By increasing the mat on the bottom, it gave the visual illusion of being equally matted on all four sides. They hung things in this manner because the walls were made of cement, and one couldn't just hammer a nail into the wall without compromising the integrity of the entire wall significantly.
Then, when wall materials changed and one could just hammer a picture hanger into any place on the wall without doing damage, people just kept weighting the bottom of framed images because traditionally that's what they were used to.
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That is one reason but there is also another.

The actual optical center of a picture is somewhat above the center of the picture. This varies slightly depending on the composition of the picture. If a mat is cut equally on all four sides there is an illusion that the bottom is actually narrower than the sides and top unless there is some other natural bottom weighting such as more white space allowing a signature and edition number on an L/E print.

Even on a naturally weighted picture I allow at least 1/8" wider margin on the bottom to account for any settling that may occur of the mat/art package in a frame. Without this additional weighting the bottom border could indeed be narrower than the top and sides.
 
Unless it's a really skinny mat, say an inch and a half or less,
I usually add at least 1/4 inch to the bottom of the mat.

There are some general guidelines that we learn, and that become
so ingrained over time that we start to think of them as intuition.
These would be things such as, it's good if the amount of mat
visible in the finished job is not equal to the width of the frame
as seen from the front. It's also important to find a good visual balance
between mat width and frame width. Often, a narrow frame looks good
with a fairly wide mat. To skinny of a mat with a narrow frame and
the mat and frame start to look like boxy little lines surrounding the art.
The wider the frame, it seems like one can go one of two ways. You can
make the mat very narrow, to look like a liner, as when the frame is
three inches wide and the mat is 1 1/4. Or you can make the mat nice
and wide. The wider the frame, the more mat it takes to look like it's a wide mat.

The size of the subject matter in the art is an important factor in choosing mat and frame width, too. A piece that has large, bold shapes and/or colors can often handle a wider mat and frame. The poppy paintings by Georgia O'Keefe would be a good example of this. If, on the other hand, the subject is tiny and delicate, a wide frame can
overpower and dwarf the art. A soft watercolor that has a tiny line of cows on the horizon might do better with a frame that's an inch and a half to two inches wide, rather than three. As with most guidelines, there are certainly exceptions to this. I've seen plenty of times when someone would frame a tiny painting with a very wide moulding. The way they pulled it off was to have a really wide mat, so it seemed like a vast space around the art and removed the frame from becoming a visual competitor with the art. I'm thinking here of something like a three by four inch painting matted with a mat that's five inches or more. This kind of exaggerated space often also features a mat that has a much wider bottom than top and size. If, say, the top and sides were six inches, the bottom might be eight. I've hardly ever done this, but
it can look good.

The few times I've done unconventional mat widths, they've turned out
nicely, but I mostly do top and sides equal with the bottom slightly weighted.
Once, I framed a little hand-pulled print of an owl with an unusual mat design.
The print was about 3x4", and the owl was on a branch looking down and to the it's right. I cut a mat that had the print up in one corner, with not much room above it's head and behind it's back, and a really wide mat in front of it's 'view' and underneath it. The result looked really good. The top and one side were about 1 3/4 and the other side and bottom were about six inches.

The only other time I've really played with perspective to an extreme was
for these tiny photo strips a college photography prof wanted to frame.
Each one is about 1 1/8" high and 5" wide. At his encouragement, we chose
really wide designs, and they looked great. The top and sides were about
two inches and the bottom was six. It made them look like something
interesting, rather than the way they would have disappeared if
just put into tiny mats.

I know this is a long post, but if any little bit of it sparks a good thought
for you, it will have been worth all the tap-tapping. :)
 
I think it's intuitive - sometimes it just looks better to me and I've never tried to analyse why.

I think the only time I do it/suggest it as default is with (e.g.) a land/seascape with a low horizon.
 
GreenTea

When I grew up in England and we called that strip of moulding...

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a picture rail. :icon21:

Clive.
And Green Tea a chair rail is basically the top of wainscoating. Its to protect the wall from the top of the back of the chair. Picture railing is along the ceiling, but not crown moulding. Picture rail is about a foot from the cieling.
 
Nobody even touched upon Oriental proportioned mats.... +1.6, -.5, +1 just as a start then to the art, frame, overall size etc.
 
Smitten, which widths correspond to your formula ? The -.5 I would imagine corresponds to the sides and (what makes sense to me) +1.6 is at the bottom, but I could be wrong.


Shayla- OMG you practically wrote an article on here! That's good though, very informative. I really love your idea for the owl, you wouldn't happen to have any pictures of it would you?


*Fun fact: the golden section is 1:1.68
 
Smitten, which widths correspond to your formula ? The -.5 I would imagine corresponds to the sides and (what makes sense to me) +1.6 is at the bottom, but I could be wrong.


Shayla- OMG you practically wrote an article on here! That's good though, very informative. I really love your idea for the owl, you wouldn't happen to have any pictures of it would you?


*Fun fact: the golden section is 1:1.68

Smitten is right, the oriental earth and sky rule has the top weighted more than the bottom.
 
I mentioned the oriental thing in my first post in this thread.
 
I hope it wasn't too much, Wanta B.
If it's any comfort, in real life, I'm pretty quiet and
wouldn't be yakking it up in the center of the room.
It's different with writing. Something that would take
only a minute to say to a friend can look like a lot
if it's in writing. I just trust that people will take what
they find useful and let the rest slide on by. I'm so
far from being like the people who do really amazing
designs on here, but I love being able to still
take part in the conversation.

That owl did turn out really neat. I don't have a
photo, but wish I did. I'll try to remember who it
was for. It was about six years ago. Basically, it was
the idea that, if the subject of the art is looking
pointedly in a certain direction, it can work to create
a lot more space in that direction.
 
"an extra 1/8" on the bottom to account for 'settling' in the frame"

possible(if you didnt put it in properly) and visible
had an old duffer form UK 5 yrs ago--bought some hand done botalical wc's(of course they were different sized). liked the job, took them home then brought them back complaining that they weren't "even"---that they were 1/16" OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this thru 2 mats and glass!!!!!!!!!! w/o the use of an eyeloop!!!!!
I explained to him the problem of their starting life off at different sizes, etc etc etc(not the real one where he did NOT have anything in his life to keep him occuied!) , told him to trot around the mall for an hour or so and I would 'see what I could do'--NO guarenties......put them on the work table and brought them out on his return to great praise for my ability to make it 'better'!!!!!!!!!! just lonely?? go figure:confused:
 
I had a fellow once who was absolutely obsessing about the
way things in his frame job lined up. I'm really careful to make sure
things look good, and are very particular. But this went beyond that.
The job was just fine, but he took it home and then brought it back.
Said that he had sat there and looked at it for hours, and the points of
the mat corners didn't seem to line up perfectly with the placement
of the frame corner on the inside. It was so perfectly done that what
he was seeing was in the 64ths of inches.

He came back once, came back again. Finally, I thought, maybe I'd
try to re-adjust his frame of reference for what was acceptable.
I told him that in some other jobs, such as machining for example,
it might be important to make sure things are lined up to the 64th
of an inch, but that in picture framing, our range of acceptability
is broader than that. I said that generally, we work more to the
16th, and that within that range, his piece was very well done. This isn't
about mat reveals, as I do work even in 32nds on those, but has to do with
the way the mat lines up with the frame.

For some reason, it worked for him. It was like he was fixated on
trying to find a flaw, even when onewasn't there. After I had clearly
defined the range of tolerance, he was fine. He'd been a police
detective as a career, and I'm sure that quality of observation
had served him well over his lifetime. He turned up with Alzheimer's
a couple years later, and I wondered if we had caught him at a time
when he was starting to lose track of what mattered and what didn't.
 
Ya know,I`m obsessive over my own stuff this way quite a bit! One foot rule? Gee,I have trouble NOT studying the corners with a magnifying lens,seriously!I am trying to cut most of this behsvior out,it ain`t healthy,I know. L.
 
Just intuitive.

I've sometimes had narrower margins on the two sides, a little wider on the top and weighted even wider on the bottom. Gives a kind of scroll look and sometimes works ...especially on oriental prints.


Wanta B. ... if an explanation is needed, I had used weighting similar to what Dave has mentioned and explained this to the customer as a method to lending the framing to a more vertical appearance even if the actual artwork is a square. Say a customer has a narrow space between two windows to fill with a print. Going with narrow sides and a larger top and bottom draws the line of the frame more up and down, filling the space more dramatically. You can do this with a horizontal line as well, weighting the top and bottom less so than the sides, but I always go with more on the bottom. Hope that helps.
 
Many theories, many ideas.

I like to listen to the customer and than recommend a technique. Often times they know what they want before even arriving here, and at other times they are open to suggestions. We know what looks good and by listening to our customer we can look even better.
 
LOL.... thanks for the smile, Rick.
It's been a very long day.

Nope, this fella wasn't one of those.
Although that does seem to happen.
Funny thing, my two customers who did that
the most have turned into real life friends.
In fact, they're two of my closest friends.
And I suppose that I have my job to thank
for my best love so far. He came into the gallery
while waiting for a brake job on his truck, and
we dated for the next five years. I'm so glad
he decided to take that walk around the block. :)
 
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