lastboat
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
I have Roma Cortona 2 3/8 renaissance # 560086 and need to repair a corner. What will put color on and not remove? I tried Briwax and the solvent is too strong.
Searching For what to use to repair finish?
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How about some acrylic paint?
Framar
WOW Framer
Any chance of posting a photo?
I would also suggest acrylic - it is remarkably versatile.
I would also suggest acrylic - it is remarkably versatile.
azoq
CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
Acrylic is great to work with (because of easy cleanup), but I sometimes have trouble getting the finish to match. (You can of course add various mediums to the paint to make it more glossy or more matte, but sometimes that can be difficult.)
Right now my favorite stuff to work with for metallic frames is rub-n-buff, which I can generally mix with good results. It also tends to match most metallic finishes nicely. After a quick search it looks like the particular moulding you're working with is mostly black. Although I don't have much experience with it, rub-n-buff does make an ebony color which might do the trick for you.
I'm currently waiting for my ez fix and fill kit to come from attach-ez, which supposedly has most everything you could need, I'll have to report back later as to the success I'm able to have with it.
Right now my favorite stuff to work with for metallic frames is rub-n-buff, which I can generally mix with good results. It also tends to match most metallic finishes nicely. After a quick search it looks like the particular moulding you're working with is mostly black. Although I don't have much experience with it, rub-n-buff does make an ebony color which might do the trick for you.
I'm currently waiting for my ez fix and fill kit to come from attach-ez, which supposedly has most everything you could need, I'll have to report back later as to the success I'm able to have with it.
Markoc
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Baer Charlton
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
IF this is the frame
I can repair it for you. But.... you will have to send me back to
the Wooden Joker on a little sidestreet in Cortona, Italy....
He, and only he had the special black wax I will need to . . . .
Ok, I can tell that you're not buying this...
IF it is a small tiny repair... You can shoot some black and brown
Krylon down the side of a Dixie cup.... mix it real quick. and with a
very fine brush... make the repair.
As you found out - - Briewax isn't a wax as much as it is colored
Vaseline. You have two real choices here... (unless you want to
try your hand at my Krylon skills from Tech Painting for the movies.....
You can call Pat at Attach EZ and get the Fix-n-Fill kit or get the dark
brown and black color sticks.
or you can pm me your address, and I'll stick a piece of the last of my
super wazzou REAL black wax.
Either way, you will scribble them onto the scar, and rub it out.
BTW Markoc.... gilders paste (IMHO and experience) is more damaging then helpful
in this kind of finish. It does have it's place (see Four Fast Finish Fixes in the July
issue of PFM)
I can repair it for you. But.... you will have to send me back to
the Wooden Joker on a little sidestreet in Cortona, Italy....
He, and only he had the special black wax I will need to . . . .
Ok, I can tell that you're not buying this...
IF it is a small tiny repair... You can shoot some black and brown
Krylon down the side of a Dixie cup.... mix it real quick. and with a
very fine brush... make the repair.
As you found out - - Briewax isn't a wax as much as it is colored
Vaseline. You have two real choices here... (unless you want to
try your hand at my Krylon skills from Tech Painting for the movies.....
You can call Pat at Attach EZ and get the Fix-n-Fill kit or get the dark
brown and black color sticks.
or you can pm me your address, and I'll stick a piece of the last of my
super wazzou REAL black wax.
Either way, you will scribble them onto the scar, and rub it out.
BTW Markoc.... gilders paste (IMHO and experience) is more damaging then helpful
in this kind of finish. It does have it's place (see Four Fast Finish Fixes in the July
issue of PFM)
Randall C Colvin
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
IF this is the frame
I can repair it for you. But.... you will have to send me back to
the Wooden Joker on a little sidestreet in Cortona, Italy....
He, and only he had the special black wax I will need to . . . .
Ok, I can tell that you're not buying this...
IF it is a small tiny repair... You can shoot some black and brown
Krylon down the side of a Dixie cup.... mix it real quick. and with a
very fine brush... make the repair.
As you found out - - Briewax isn't a wax as much as it is colored
Vaseline. You have two real choices here... (unless you want to
try your hand at my Krylon skills from Tech Painting for the movies.....
You can call Pat at Attach EZ and get the Fix-n-Fill kit or get the dark
brown and black color sticks.
or you can pm me your address, and I'll stick a piece of the last of my
super wazzou REAL black wax.
Either way, you will scribble them onto the scar, and rub it out.
BTW Markoc.... gilders paste (IMHO and experience) is more damaging then helpful
in this kind of finish. It does have it's place (see Four Fast Finish Fixes in the July
issue of PFM)
Baer, I read your article in PFM. I'm stocking up on those items.
IF it is a small tiny repair... You can shoot some black and brown
Krylon down the side of a Dixie cup.... mix it real quick. and with a
very fine brush... make the repair.
I thought that I was the only one who did this.
I can never find a dixie cup when I need it, though. I always wind up spraying into the Krylon plastic can top.
I've also dry-brushed with a little acrylic. Then I wipe a little paste wax on with my hand or some 0000 steel wool, let dry and buff lightly to blend it in.
Baer Charlton
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Neil, the acrylic has elastimers that don't provide the same stretch
and therefore reflective traits of the waxes. But by blowing
the Krylon down a Dixie.... the carrier solvents strip the wax
off the cup.... and it all mixes with the acrylic catalyzed lacquer
in the bottom.... but dries VERY fast.
I once watched a tech painter painstakingly paint 14 copies of a
katana handle..... over the course of a long week (9days).
I was so fed up with his making $40/hr and milking the job...
which wasn't that great.
On my lunch.. I went and got some Rub-n-Buff... and a few
cans of paint that I knew we didn't have......
I came back and while the tech painter and the boss were
off on a hour long lunch.... I whipped out 5 handles that had
flaws in the castings...
The owner's brother looked over my shoulder.. asking what
I was doing..... I told him about what I had been watching...
and what I was doing with the handles he had just given me.....
He looked at one that I had just done.... thinking it was the original....
then he compared it to the Tech's stuff......
"You know they went to school together since the second grade...."
"and?"
"You will either get a raise... and more work, or fired." and he walked away..
I put the original with the other five on the boss's desk.
After about 20 minutes, his brother went in... "did you figure out which
was the original?"
"Finally...."
"Baer did those five while you were out to lunch."
The tech got rehired only after I was gone. Occum's Razor.
and therefore reflective traits of the waxes. But by blowing
the Krylon down a Dixie.... the carrier solvents strip the wax
off the cup.... and it all mixes with the acrylic catalyzed lacquer
in the bottom.... but dries VERY fast.
I once watched a tech painter painstakingly paint 14 copies of a
katana handle..... over the course of a long week (9days).
I was so fed up with his making $40/hr and milking the job...
which wasn't that great.
On my lunch.. I went and got some Rub-n-Buff... and a few
cans of paint that I knew we didn't have......
I came back and while the tech painter and the boss were
off on a hour long lunch.... I whipped out 5 handles that had
flaws in the castings...
The owner's brother looked over my shoulder.. asking what
I was doing..... I told him about what I had been watching...
and what I was doing with the handles he had just given me.....
He looked at one that I had just done.... thinking it was the original....
then he compared it to the Tech's stuff......
"You know they went to school together since the second grade...."
"and?"
"You will either get a raise... and more work, or fired." and he walked away..
I put the original with the other five on the boss's desk.
After about 20 minutes, his brother went in... "did you figure out which
was the original?"
"Finally...."
"Baer did those five while you were out to lunch."
The tech got rehired only after I was gone. Occum's Razor.
Baer Charlton
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Buy the 6oz ones in the big pack.... stash them all over the place.
Disposable mixing cups.... even for lacquer.... just don't use any acetone.
Framar
WOW Framer
Dixie cups, eh? I'll have to go buy some.....
Thanks, Baer!
You are a FONT!!! And I love the Helvetica outa ya!
Thanks, Baer!
You are a FONT!!! And I love the Helvetica outa ya!
lastboat
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
IF this is the frame
I can repair it for you. But.... you will have to send me back to
the Wooden Joker on a little sidestreet in Cortona, Italy....
He, and only he had the special black wax I will need to . . . .
Ok, I can tell that you're not buying this...
IF it is a small tiny repair... You can shoot some black and brown
Krylon down the side of a Dixie cup.... mix it real quick. and with a
very fine brush... make the repair.
As you found out - - Briewax isn't a wax as much as it is colored
Vaseline. You have two real choices here... (unless you want to
try your hand at my Krylon skills from Tech Painting for the movies.....
You can call Pat at Attach EZ and get the Fix-n-Fill kit or get the dark
brown and black color sticks.
or you can pm me your address, and I'll stick a piece of the last of my
super wazzou REAL black wax.
Either way, you will scribble them onto the scar, and rub it out.
BTW Markoc.... gilders paste (IMHO and experience) is more damaging then helpful
in this kind of finish. It does have it's place (see Four Fast Finish Fixes in the July
issue of PFM)
Baer,
do I understand you to be saying:
Krylon spray paint will dissolve the wax on a dixie cup and the resulting mixture (short working time) will produce the finish?
Baer Charlton
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I don't understand the real chemistry of it all (heck I flunked
high school chem when I blew a window out....)
but that is what appears to be happening....
just understand.... if you take a full minute to do it.... you'll
be "dry brushing" - -- and not in a good way.... if you know
what I mean.
But the end result is.... the shiny Krylon, takes on a waxy
look when you paint it out.....
If you can figure out what else may be going on.... explain
it to me.... I only know what I've seen for the last 30 years.
And in my book - - if it works - - - -
high school chem when I blew a window out....)
but that is what appears to be happening....
just understand.... if you take a full minute to do it.... you'll
be "dry brushing" - -- and not in a good way.... if you know
what I mean.
But the end result is.... the shiny Krylon, takes on a waxy
look when you paint it out.....
If you can figure out what else may be going on.... explain
it to me.... I only know what I've seen for the last 30 years.
And in my book - - if it works - - - -