Opinions Wanted What color is YOUR backing paper? SEPT/OCT 2011 GRUMBLE POLL

Which BACKING PAPER/DUST COVER do you generally use in YOUR shop?

  • NONE/Does Not Apply

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • Black Kraft paper

    Votes: 56 32.4%
  • Brown Kraft paper

    Votes: 67 38.7%
  • Blue Kraft paper

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Blue/Gray Lineco (ph buffered) paper

    Votes: 29 16.8%
  • Tape Only

    Votes: 6 3.5%
  • Tyvek type product

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • Fabric. Cambrick, etc

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Decorative Paper (gift wrapping, custom printed,etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • OTHER: See forum post

    Votes: 4 2.3%

  • Total voters
    173
  • Poll closed .

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I am nearly out.

I have plain brown. And black.

I am totally serious I want to use PINK, to stand out,just on the back side tho'?

Whaddya think? Should I buy some? Or switch to decaf?
 
This is a close as I could find for colored kraft paper.

http://www.uline.com/BL_1970/Color-Kraft-Paper?keywords=roll%20paper

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Switch to decaf :)

Sometimes the kraft paper with 'colors' (even black) can rub off on your hands. And your customers hands also. When you start a new roll on the dispenser, roll a couple rounds off first to get the 'dirty' part off. Then rub a hand across the roll and look at it.

I still use black most of the time. The brown is usually the best to work with but kinda looks cheap.
 
What about bulk gift wrap? I saw that on the back of a frame once.


And if going the gift wrap route why not use the Sunday funnies? I wrapped a lot of presents with those as a kid :)
 
grey acid free paper from CMI. i love it. It cuts very easily, and there is a lot on a roll. and it doesn't rub off. but i have seen that a little with the black, esp if it gets slightly wet, or from glue.
 
Southern Moulding / DECOR sells a kraft paper that is infused with latex. It is much more durable than regular kraft, and comes in black or dark green. I have seen no color rub-off at all.
:cool: Rick
 
Started off using brown, because that was what I was used to. Brown, in my experience, tends to get brittle fairly quickly, usually after a few years or so. Switched to black paper for a time. Have seen black paper change color to a sickly purple over time, it also gets brittle after a while, and can also stain the wall. We switched over to the Lineco blue paper a few years ago, and use that exclusively for backing framed pieces. Have not noticed the same tendency to become brittle (though still watching for that), haven't noticed a considerable color shift or staining as it ages, and the blue color serves to set us apart from the shops still using brown or black backing papers in our area. It's a bit more expensive, but that can be worked into your costs to cover the difference easily enough. We do still keep some brown kraft on hand, but only for wrapping of glass and some framed pieces.

Another thing that popped into my head just now is that with brown and black papers, I found no consistency in the quality and weight of the paper. Sometimes I'd get a really nice heavy, thick paper, and the next roll I would get would be very thin and lightweight, and would practically tear if you looked at it funny. The blue paper has been fairly consistent in thickness and quality. I think the only difference from roll to roll I have experienced is a slight color difference, either lighter or darker in color. Not a big concern.
 
We did a grumble poll about this a year or two ago.

We originally used brown, then we switched to black for a few years (we found that it completely fades in 1-2 years). We currently use the acid free blue lineco (?) stuff. This has been the best performer so far, in our shop.

Mike
 
We use the blue Lineco. If you're having problems with thin paper (black or kraft), specify 50 pound.
 
After a few years, gift wrap will fall apart under its own weight. I've seen this on things I've reframed a few times. I bet it look great when it was new though.
 
Mike, I did not do a search before I posted this thread. Even with Nicole voice in my head yelling, "DID YOU DO A SEARCH FIRST?"

Andy, thanks. I was looking for style and impact. Brown looks like ICK after awhile.
I have noticed that with black paper, the first half the roll is thinner, and less shiny (I know I sound bonkers) but once into the roll a ways...it just feels nicer.
I would pay for nicer looking, 'specially if I am gonna put my name on it.

I will check out the Lineco stuff, does it come in HOT PINK???
 
The grey paper with their black hardware looks good. and as far as i know the paper doesn't fade. That makes me stand out around here in a way since most people use the brown kraft paper with silver normal hardware and wire.

as for pink... wouldn't you think that would be a little distracting if you could see somewhat behind the picture, or if it was a well lit room it would glow a little???

just thinking how that would look on my walls on the canvas's that stick slightly off..
 
Tyvek?

Many are using it now as a backing material. And with the Epson printers you can print onto Tyvek, so you could print your shop logo all over it.

The tyvek at HomeDepot and Lowes is printed with their names all over it, but there was a source where you could buy it directly and have nothing on it whatsoever. I don't have that url anymore, but it was definitely way cheaper than from any of our suppliers. Just had to buy a huge roll....
 
... the blue color serves to set us apart from the shops still using ...

Michael's here uses the same, Andy...

Just sayin'! :shutup:
 
The blue Lineco paper shouldn't turn brittle since it is archival (acid and lignan free as well as buffered). It is the acid and lignans in paper that cause it to become brittle. It's a higher quality product than the other kinds of craft papers on the market.
 
We also use the blue Lineco a/f paper for dust cover. We wrap completed projects in brown craft while being held for customer pick up.
 
I asked LJ, Bainbridge, and Crescent to please repackage there mat board surface papers in a few colors as 36" rolls so we could use a buffered a/f paper for backing and "choose" from a subset of colors.

The response -- too expensive.

But, maybe if more people asked?

I for one would like a a/f buffered Black.
 
I keep the brown because I have two, yep two, customers that only want brown on their picture's backsides. Say they want them to match. :shrug:
I wrap stuff in brown otherwise.

Lineco Hotpink? For the cool stuff I think, if they make it.
 
We use lineco blue or black kraft... hate em both

Lineco on conservation stuff... hate the color hate that it makes the back look like a craft store piece

Black on cheap stuff. I've seen it last for years with no problems and I've seen it go purple then brown. It either depends on how much sunlight it gets or maybe just because different rolls are inconsistent with each other I have no earthly idea.
 
I asked LJ, Bainbridge, and Crescent to please repackage there mat board surface papers in a few colors as 36" rolls so we could use a buffered a/f paper for backing and "choose" from a subset of colors.

Ask Peterboro. The small guy tends to listen better than the big guy does :) If Crescent, Bainbridge and Rising don't want in on that market share then it would appear that a small company could lock up that niche market.

"Small guys" like niche markets, thrive in them. The "big guy" thrives on volume.
 
OK, I have to ask, how does the backing paper get sunlight????? Mystery du jour.

Well, as we now know, what we consider "matter" is not really "solid". It turns out that*, on a subatomic level, the particles that make up what we think of as solid are constantly moving around, and there is lots of space between them. So the photons of light simply "sneak in" between the particles.
:icon9: Rick

*(scientific types are fond of saying that when explaining things to "laymen")
 
OK, I have to ask, how does the backing paper get sunlight????? Mystery du jour.

When I have seen the back discolor it was not uniform. It was either starting in one corner, or one side with the most fading at the edge. For example the top right is brown, going in to a purple in towards the middle and it's still black at the far corner. So I figured that one portion or corner got some light somehow. Not all pictures are hung on the wall right away or forever. Hey it's a theory. I said I have no real idea.
 
Well, as we now know, what we consider "matter" is not really "solid". It turns out that*, on a subatomic level, the particles that make up what we think of as solid are constantly moving around, and there is lots of space between them. So the photons of light simply "sneak in" between the particles.
:icon9: Rick

*(scientific types are fond of saying that when explaining things to "laymen")


Hey, we're framers, not Steven Hawkins. Three semesters on Engineering Physics caused me to quickly forget anything even remotely related to the physics of light or anything else. :p

Although I vaguely remember doing experiments with reflection and refraction of light in high school physics but nothing on light "sneaking in". :beer:
 
Every once in a while I get a piece to reframe and it has what I'm assuming is
print wallpaper on the back. I always thought it looked pretty. Plus - where do you even get wall paper anymore? The few "in stock" stores we had around here are long gone.
 
Cathy... you are such a girly-girl! Could work for you but not for me. Nic would need a deep velvety purple paper for her backing... kind of like you'd find on the wrong side of the street in New Orleans! :shutup:

(Love you girls!)

I would be more of a Forrest Viridian with a Deep Woods Off scent.

Designer dust covers... gotta love it!

Only framers would fixate on dust covers. Maybe we look too long at the butt side of our work?
 
Physics aside, the number of times I have visited a home or office and seen things I have framed leaning against the wall...sometimes for years...seems to me a better explanation for weird fading of dustcovers. I usually offer to hang them then and there, but rarely do they take me up on it. At least they put them facing the wall.

If you have a decent scanner and an Epson or similar printer, it would be very easy to make "designer" backing. It might be fun to find some of those old wallpaper patterns to work with. I like the Tyvek idea, and may experiment with it a while.

I once color copied some patterned paper for a customer so the backing would "match" a companion piece. They were small ovals so it was no problem. But the whole world seems IMHO to be a little too preoccupied with the back. Probably because of the oft repeated advice to check the quality of the back to determine the skill and craftmanship of the framer. Most of my customers pointedly look before they take it home, often more carefully than the look at the front!
 
Sure it's possible to print your own dust cover paper, but isn't printer ink more expensive per ounce than Chanel No. 5?
:icon9: Rick
 
There is a Dark Gray backing paper that is acid free which I purchased a roll of when I was at the CMI location in Nashville. I don't recall who makes it but from what I understand, and don't quote me on this because I am not sure, it is the only conservation quality backing paper on the market. You may be able to find out where it comes from and where you can buy it in your area from CMI. 615-252-4845. I will try to find out who makes it myself because I highly recommend it. It looks rich and trims easily. And from what I recall it was well priced.
 
Dont know anyone here that uses kraft paper backing AT ALL!

This used to occur here years ago but no one I know does it now.
Most Framers here either use foam board as the backing, or in our case, core flute.
(fluted,inert, water resistant, polypropylene).

We use this for our canvas backing also.
You can keep your kraft paper.

Why do you all use kraft paper? I have oftern wondered. Is this just one of those "inter country' things?
 
Miranda, what you are refering to we would call "Filler board" or something similar.

Do you "tape around the edge of the frame" sealing the frame and the filler board?
That is a common European method of sealing.

We cover the entire back with paper. Various kinds, including kraft, as you see from this thread.

Pat, if you could find the manufacturer that might be very interesting!
The Lineco backing paper is of the best available conservation quality and is "light blue" or "light grey" or "blue green" depending on batch and your own viual perception, so I don't think it is what you would call "Dark Grey." I would guess you have identified the first second source I have heard of other than Lineco?
 
BLUE

Less LOVES Lineco

also use black

Used to get 60" from DonMar - not happy can't get now.

Less keeps 36" 48" Less want his 60" BBBAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

Brown for wrapping, work suface, & toilet paper
 
Miranda, what you are refering to we would call "Filler board" or something similar.

Do you "tape around the edge of the frame" sealing the frame and the filler board?
That is a common European method of sealing.

We cover the entire back with paper. Various kinds, including kraft, as you see from this thread.

Yes we tape around the edge of the frame, sealing the frame and the filler board.
I have often wondered about the use of the kraft paper. Is this a cosmetic thing? I know the books say it is a dust cover, but dont the filler board and tape option do the same thing?

Or do you not use tape to seal the frame and maybe this is the job of the backing paper to act as the seal. Is that correct?
 
keeps dust out and makes it look prettier... but i guess i know what you are talking about.... ive seen it done from craft stores... they don't seem to be consistant.
 
Yes we tape around the edge of the frame, sealing the frame and the filler board.
I have often wondered about the use of the kraft paper. Is this a cosmetic thing? I know the books say it is a dust cover, but dont the filler board and tape option do the same thing?

Or do you not use tape to seal the frame and maybe this is the job of the backing paper to act as the seal. Is that correct?

Exactly. In other parts of the world you use tape, we don't use tape, the "backing paper" is intended to perform the sealing.

There are a lot of non-provable (IMO) technical assertions to why this is better, but the bottom line is that the customers in this country expect it and would consider tape sealing inferior.

Paper does look better IMO.
 
Yes we tape around the edge of the frame, sealing the frame and the filler board.
I have often wondered about the use of the kraft paper. Is this a cosmetic thing? I know the books say it is a dust cover, but dont the filler board and tape option do the same thing?

Or do you not use tape to seal the frame and maybe this is the job of the backing paper to act as the seal. Is that correct?

Here, if you buy mass produced furniture store art it is likely taped on the back so that helps diminish the perceived quality in the eyes of the somewhat more discerning consumer who would choose a custom frame shop.
 
I use the Lineco as well; I happen to like the light gray (but if they ever make red....I'm all for it!)

I have some brown paper; I usually use that for 'repair' jobs (new glass for example) if the original paper was brown to start with.

Black backing paper rubbed off on my wall.....
 
Interesting morning this.
Well , coz it still hot. I found I ruffly skirt I haven't worn in yonks (I look sassy in it, so I even sprayed so of my sassy French perfume this morn').

This thread has gone weird. And educational at once.

Dave, I love ya more an more all the time. I might start spraying perfume on the backing paper of my fav customers (kidding, OMG you conservertor types would freak and attack me with flying points at Vegas!)

The comments Dave made regarding backing paper, and those after responding, about 'sealing' and such reminded me of the petticoats thread of a while back, perhaps why we seal these things...no wantin' folks to see.

hmmm maybe that is why I wanna make my backing paper hot pink...kinda like an undies thing (Freud would have a field day with the symbolism that this could or could or should or should not invoke)

Hey Rick, two things...liked you ink and Chanel and ink comment, I giggled and it fed the fodder of my own ramblings; and I think you are quite correct.
What's with the piano hands tho'?
You play? You take you digits seriously as a framer? Being ambiguous behind an avatar? Or you need ideas?
 
But seriously. Don't 'cha thing that this is kind of liker OUR canvas. It is where our sticker goes. Where we choose to put felt or rubbery bump-on's, tie our fine wire knots. Place our finest selection of hanging hardware or Wall-Buddies (Gotcha Nic)
I know I like to take pride in being consistent in the distance the wire is from the top of the moulding for my repeat customers. And I even have signed a piece for a customer or two with my signature with a smiley face with curly tresses atop. Haven't you? Or designed a fab sticker, with a slammin' logo?
I am thinkin' some of you, during fine times, have had slick foil types of stickers adorn your work.
Marking our territory I suppose! What's left of it.
 
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