what about this?


MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Jul 28, 2004
marquette michigan
if we all know that larson supported bigbox michaels when they first started out, why are we still ordering from them?
I;m actually not much of a debater, but my husband mentioned something about it, and it made think. but only for a second.
I don't think there's much to debate.

A framer who feels strongly betrayed by L-J, or any other vendor, is probably NOT buying from them. To do so would be hypocritical, doncha think?

A framer who thinks that L-J is just doing whatever it needs to do to survive and prosper in a tough market is probably buying from them - unless they are a part-time basement framer who works for an insurance company most of the week.

If you'd like to debate, I would contend that Michaels is not the enemy and L-J is not the enemy.


We have met the enemy and he is us.
Ron is on a roll today..

I say ditto to his above post
Ohho. Ron is a big tread debate killer....

As some little green guy said

"do or do not, there is no try".

"buy or do not, there is no both".
why are we still ordering from them?
Great product, great service, great pricing.

Oh yeah....free delivery & FREE CORNER SAMPLES
Larson Juhl is a well run and managed company. They are very tuned to the needs of their customers, all of them. They can get what seems to be a little heavy handed at times, overall, they, as far as the small storefront operation is concerned, are up their at the top of the supplier chain. I think if they folded, it would have a huge impact on our industry.

we all know that larson supported bigbox michaels
(warning: playing devil's advocate here ;) )

Why is this not looked upon as "Michael's hired LJ and wrote a big check"?

Granted, I don't recall all the details of the deal, but is that not a more accurate description?
I agree with Eric 100% Would you turn down that kind of business?
For pete's sake! I have never understood why people are always upset about LJ working with Michaels--There just doing business!

Ok there's my two cents worth so there! lol!!

For me, LJ is great. They seem to be able to meet most of my needs. They are not the be all and end all, but they are at the top of my vendor list. If they want to do bussines with M then fine. I still get what I need when I need it and in most cases at as good a price and service as my other major supplier.

I see it as they are doing business with and supporting me too.

It would be one thing if the service and pricing to me suffered as a result of this relationship but, it doesn't. I know I cant get the pricing that they do, but then again I shouldn't. I don't buy nearly as much. As long as I am not gouged on pricing for the items I buy, then I'm good ......
I admire Larson's employee culture. The way I've been treated by reps and the company that supports them has helped me make some supplier related decisions along the way. It seems like a great place to work. For me, they have been a great company to do business with. I love them....... carnal.... no wait, now I'm getting carried away. But you get the idea. It has been a greatly beneficial relationship for my business.
There are about 6 Larson profiles the Michael's still sells and they are "classic" and probably have been off your walls since the coon dogs fell in the creek. It was a big hit when Michael's started buying and importing their own moulding for LJ. The JoAnne's thing, well many of you will say the same things as above but when you supply the labor it is a horse of a different color.