trade show in NYC 2005

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parismom

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this show won't be held through sunday; it's running just thursday through saturday. i spoke to a fellow at the decor show offices, and he said that they polled a lot of suppliers /exhibitors and most of them said that they'd rather work thursday than sunday. he was reluctant to give me a list of those who said that sunday was too light of a traffic day to be there :).

i know that, since i work alone, i can't take off the day, and close up to go to the show. i'm also annoyed with these suppliers, whoever they are, that they don't feel that the business they might get from me on a "light traffic" day is important.

any thoughts, anyone?

abby
 
I am an equipment sales person and have been going to the NY show for 10 years . I have found Sundays are slow but do not see why a Thursday when everyone will be working will be a better day. I think we can all say that the NY show has slowed in buyers in the last few years and that the Atlanta show is the show to attend.
 
maybe the atlanta show is the one to attend, but i don't think it makes dollars and cents sense to go down for one day to that show. again, not wanting to lose a day's business is a consideration. it's also expensive to travel and stay over one or two nights. i just feel that small framers like myself, and i've been doing just this for myself for over twenty five years in a retail location, are being "dissed" by their decision to blow off sundays.

abby
 
From a logistical standpoint, how do you go through a show that large in only 1/2 day? Aren't Sundays short days?

I could not myself see an entire show on a Sunday and spend some time shopping for what I need. I know you are "Afraid of loosing business" if you close for a day. Do you think you would actually loose that much, if you posted a notice on your door or in your window several weeks in advance?

What happens when you are sick or have to go to the doctor?
 
I wont be going because Sundays were the perfect day to attend. Thursdays are our late night and heavy production day. Friday and saturday are part of every frame shops daily hours.
Smaller framers that don't employ lots of people won't be able to attend.
Emergencies do come up where I might have to close but a industry show is not an emergency.
Who is going to close on a saturday or who really wants to contend with friday traffic in NYC. Either in or out it is a mess through most of the winter.
Also I don't want to lose any business, my customers count on me being here when I am supposed to be. This was a slow year for us and I don't want to potentially lose any one.
Forget Atlanta, if I can't get to NYC which is 30 minutes away from me (on a good traffic day) how will I be able to get to Atlanta?
I hope my supply reps are ready to make some house calls to show new products because there is going to be less business this year.
 
well, as far as the size of the show, i've never attended it, so i have no idea how large it is. and i did imply that it would be an expensive two night stay, if i went.

as far as being sick, i guess i've been lucky. in 26 years, i guess i've missed at most a dozen days due to illness, and, believe me, i've had to have been at "death's door" not to open :). i make my personal appointments on my day off, which has always been monday. this has always worked great.

the point of my post, originally, was the idea that those of us who don't want to take off one of three business days in order to attend the new york trade show will miss out on important knowledge that will be at the trade show. i don't agree that atlanta is "the place to be" for everyone. there are a lot of us, i'm sure, who like the proximity of the nyc show and are disappointed that we can't attend in 2005.

abby
 
I believe there is another reason for not showing on Sundays - the cost.
The employees of the Javitts Center are Teamsters and their labor rates are much higher on the weekends. Also, vendors are not permitted to cart their wares into the Center - the union does that.
 
The savings I have made by going to shows has more than paid for any loss of closing a shop.

If it is so hard to close down for 1-2 days how do you even think about taking a vacation.
 
we've strayed from my original point which is that the show won't be available to see on sunday next year. as to your question about vacation, i take three and a half weeks a year. as i've been in business for so long in my town, my customers are quite happy and accepting of the normal need for time off.

but that's not really my point. the point was that there are many of us who won't go to the show this year.

abby
 
Parismom;

You made my point, you are unrealisticly afraid of lost business. You give you clients advance notice of your vacation.........and they come back. That is exactly what I suggested.

As for Sunday, It is definitely more costly on Sunday in a union town than and other day of the week as MCphoto commented.

Going to a trade show is part of the "cost of being in business"......big shop or small shop.
 
Just tell your customers that by your going to the trade show, you will see the latest in design trends, the newest mat and moulding introductions, etc., so you will be able to show them (your customers)all that good stuff upon your return. Also tell them you are continuing your own education with the workshops provided to learn new and improved ways to protect the artwork that they bring to you.

I'm a one person shop, and I attend New York every year. I put a sign on my door with the info that I've mentioned above. With advanced notice, I'm sure your customers can work around that schedule.

I think that no matter when they held the show, it would be deemed inconvenient for someone, they can't please everybody. You've just got to make up your mind that you want to go, and go.

-Mike.
 
As another comment, your attitude also restricts you from all of the educational opportunities offered on the days you will not attend (Thursday, Friday, Saturday).

I have been in business for more that 30 years, (20+ in retail custom framing) and I feel the need to take classes that are of interest to me. The industry is changing fast as well as products and procedures.
 
Last year I attend the Sunday portion of the show just because it was my only day off for the duration of the show. I'm hoping that my bosses will understand why I want to go, and let me take another day to go and get educated. I'll just have to start bugging them about it now!

In the past, this wasn't a problem because I was working for a place that had a large enough staff so we could go in a rotating basis. I went with 2 of the owners on Friday, and the others went on Saturday. Worked out well for us.
 
hi! thanks for all your comments. seriously, the point of my note originally was to point out the insensitivity of the planners of the event to the situation those of us face when we want the option of not having to close on a business day for a trade show. perhaps you have employees who can cover for you. perhaps not. perhaps you work for someone who will give you the time off. that's great. i just feel that the planners are neglecting a large portion of the framing community.

we don't know what the union issues are, but that is *their* cost of doing business, not mine. believe me, with fuel surcharges and *handling* charges, i pay enough of others *costs of doing business* as it is and i don't complain. i accept it as what i need to pay in order to get my products delivered to my customers.

some of the replies did not really address my point. but thanks to all for your remarks.


abby
 
Back to the original point - no, we won't be doing the NY show this year. We'll wait and do Atlanta - yes, as a small shop we'll have to close but it's a bigger show and usually well worth going. The NY show has been disappointing the past two years. IMHO, running the show from Thursday thru Saturday will contribute to its demise.
 
thanks for your note. i guess it boils down to this: who thinks they won't be going to the trade show because of the schedule? that's what i'm interested in knowing.

thanks!

abby
 
Great News! A new NY show in October '05 back at the West side piers like the old Frame-O-Rama shows. Sat, Sun and Mon Oct. 15-16 & 17 I heard only about 350 booths and limits on the size of the big guys booths. The show is on Pier 94 - parking right next door on pier 92. Ought to be good - I'm coming all the way from Oregon to show you our new stuff.

Greg Fremstad
FrameTek, Inc.
 
We were planning to drive down for Sunday only, which I think is plenty of time for this size show. The past two years we stayed overnight and attended Saturday and Sunday. It seemed smaller this year. We may end up skipping it in favor of Atlanta, since they won't be open Sunday.

We went to Atlanta this year for the first time and spent 3 full days on the show floor. It was a very well managed and large show, and we'll be back next year for sure.

The only thing we'll miss is seeing our local reps.

Mike
 
Off the subject. I'm going to Orlando this year to the PPFA show. My question is will we be able to see the PMA show also or is it closed unless you are in the photo marketing business? Orlando a great location, cheap flights and cheap motels. I can go there for less than NY or Atlanta.

framer
 
Orlando and Vegas are EXTREMELY reasonable for hotels, and great if you are looking to do stuff with the family too.

In this case, I think it *IS* the PMA show you will be attending. From the blueprints, it looks like it has a small section for custom framing. (14 booths, so far Fletcher-Terry is the only one I recognize) My understanding is that this is the best show for framing/educational classes.
 
Originally posted by mcphoto:
I believe there is another reason for not showing on Sundays - the cost.
The employees of the Javitts Center are Teamsters and their labor rates are much higher on the weekends. Also, vendors are not permitted to cart their wares into the Center - the union does that.
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Not completely true. Anyone can hand carry or use a small dolly to transport their goods to their booth via the front door on the lower level. The union only man the cargo bays...Mark
 
Originally posted by mcphoto:
I believe there is another reason for not showing on Sundays - the cost.
The employees of the Javitts Center are Teamsters and their labor rates are much higher on the weekends...
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If Saturday were the last day, then Sunday would be the take-down day, a very busy one for the union-member material handlers.

If their reasoning went as you said, then wouldn't Monday be the cheaper take-down day, making Sunday the last day of the show?
 
Wow did this post get some great reply's. The other thing to think about is the exhibitors who are a small Company who have to close during the week. I hope everyone comes and brings lots of money. This makes my 10th year and last year was the smallest.
 
jim miller said:

If Saturday were the last day, then Sunday would be the take-down day, a very busy one
for the union-member material handlers.

If their reasoning went as you said, then wouldn't Monday be the cheaper take-down day,
making Sunday the last day of the show?

back in the late seventies and maybe early eighties, the trade shows did go to mondays. but that ended, as well.

abby
 
Originally posted by framer tg::
... the PPFA show. My question is will we be able to see the PMA show also or is it closed unless you are in the photo marketing business?
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As an exibitor of PMA for ten or so years (first to the photo audience and specifically to the framing audience the last two years) the PMA is one LARGE show. The varous exhibitors and all the various attendee audiences (photo retailers, photo labs, portrait photographers, framers, etc) are all one big homogenous group. Enjoy!
 
Art & Framing Showcase October 15-17 ( SAT.-SUN-MON ) Back at the show piers!! No better time, No better place.. Exhibitors and buyers back together again where it all began. Limited space and priced for profit. Contact us at Marketplaceexpos.com or 314-336-2700
 
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