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DVieau2

DVieau2

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Brown melting bumpon.
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I didn't frame it the first time.

I cut this sample away from the back of a customers frame.

She said it left a nice big stain on the wall.

Doug
 

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DVieau2 said:
Brown melting bumpon.
sad-smiley-056.gif


I didn't frame it the first time.

Cut this sample away from the back of a customers frame.

She said it left a nice big stain on the wall.

Doug
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I gave up JUNK like that five years ago. I use ONLY 1/2" dia. felt bumpers. They are cheaper, protects the wall, and doesn't melt! Call the company that made the "bumpon" you show in the photo and they usually say "First time i ever hear of a problem like that!" :nuts:
 
I hate to say it, but that is a problem that's going to be with us for probably as long as most of us will be in the business. They are like little ticking time bombs on walls all over the country, just waiting to embarrass us through no fault of our own, just because we used a premium product, for its intended purpose, according the manufacturer's directions.
:fire: Rick

There are many threads available here about this, some with instructions for removing the residue.
 
I use felt bumpons... but I have seen them stick to the walls twice here in my shop as well. The leave fuzzy black spots. It's happened on different walls with different paint jobs, so it's not peculiar to some particular paint that I have used.
 
On a previous thread, Jim Miller talked about making bumpons on the CMC out of matboard. I have seen about everything else stick to a wall. I am in a town with lots of masonry and plaster walls. The moisture content in these is stunning at times. So heavy that I wonder why water isn't dripping out of the walls.

It is certainly wicking into the back of many frames.
 
That sounds like a nightmare on frame street to me. I hope your customers aren't blaming you and expecting you to redo them free every time that happens.
:icon45: Rick
 
Melting ones will always be with us. The process uses a hardener mixed into the material as it squeezes into the mold. During the process there will be variations in the mixture so as long as they are used gooey ones will occur.

Felt don't melt. I use the brown since they don't use a ton of dye like the black.
 
bumpons

The brown felt ones are standard around here. I have some (in my house) that were done 20+ years ago. The felt holds up well, but the adhesive becomes gooey and slides around. I wish I had taken a picture of the last three frames on which I had to replaced them. They just sort of slid down, like gravity was acting on them. The adhesive remained, sort of the consistency of rubber cement or a more slimy ATG tape. I rubbed off the residue and reapplied new bumpons.

Chris
 
I have seen this before with the brown square bumpons (the only type I have seen the issue with) and I think ours had come from 3M. My boss said he would contact 3M and that they would pay for the damages. We once had a customer who had such a mess of them on her walls that they needed to be repainted and as far as I know 3M paid the bill for that and replacing the damaged framing materials (same moulding and new foamcore).

So I would certainly talk to the customer to see exactly what damage was caused (ask for pictures to be emailed to you) and then call the manufacturer and see what they say.
 
Peel them off and use them tomorrow for trick or treating as facial adornments for your witches.
 
I recently got some frames for rematting, and those had White dome bump ons that the interior had melted. The gooey stuff oozed out when I removed them from the frame.

I think moisture is the culprit.
 
DVieau2 said:
Brown melting bumpon.
sad-smiley-056.gif


I didn't frame it the first time.

I cut this sample away from the back of a customers frame.

She said it left a nice big stain on the wall.

Doug
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I guess that's the good thing about the southwest, we're so dry that I've never seen a medievil mess like the melted brown bump-on. That looks almost cancerous. I've had some severely stuck on ones though..
 
Dave is right about the heat not being the cause but rather a variable. One out of every several thosand sheets will be soft. Just like picking Double Zero at the roulette table. Chances of hitting it are low but when it happens the results are large.
 
The white ones melt also. Doesn't matter the color or shape they just have melty ones.
 
I never did use the white ones. Used to use the brown until this problem reared its head, then switched to clear or felt.
:kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
 
I called 3M about five years ago when I opened my first retail store...I'd ordered a box of brown bumpers by accident.

From the best of my recollection....

I'd heard about the "melting" problem before I got them and told them I knew it was widespread and that I was concerned about using them. They acknowledged reports but also said it had been reformulated. I forget exactly how long the change had been effective.... I'm thinking that they were able to tell I had newer stock by describing the packaging. It's been a while so the details are fuzzy. But I know they assured me they were okay.

Let's hope it holds true because I did use almost all of them.

Since then I've used mostly clear.
 
janetj1968 said:
They acknowledged reports but also said it had been reformulated.
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Page one of every manufacturer's customer service manual has the same response. Think Crescent Rag, TV glass, Framemica ...............................
 
I've had similar experiences with the black rubber bumpon-type feet on the bottoms of things like cordless phone bases, answering machines, etc.
:kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
 
And sticking cabinet doors.

Just seemed appropriate to revisit this thread on Halloween. This was the name of one of those B-movies, wasn't it?
 
I've seen this happen with cork ones. So I'm guessing it's the glue. Funny thing is that they tend to migrate sideways, so that rules out gravity. My theory is that vibrations from passing traffic sets them off.

Or maybe they leave a trail so they can find their way back after they have fed. :icon11:
 
Rick Granick said:
I hate to say it, but that is a problem that's going to be with us for probably as long as most of us will be in the business. They are like little ticking time bombs on walls all over the country, just waiting to embarrass us through no fault of our own, just because we used a premium product, for its intended purpose, according the manufacturer's directions.
:fire: Rick

There are many threads available here about this, some with instructions for removing the residue.
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I've been out of the industry for a year and a half, but remember the "melting hershey kisses" well. All of ours were from a period of time around '94-'95 and whenever a customer would come that I knew had those bumpons, I would give them a sheet to replace all the old ones. I had a couple of ones that I had to deal with 3m on, as well. So much for using the brand name products. Now, I'm out of it but wonder which customers are still out there with those.
 
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