Team Colors

Dancinbaer

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On another thread regarding the subject of team colors someone suggested the mat companies create a series of mats that match NFL, NBA, MBL, NASCAR colors and maybe major colleges.

Until then I thought maybe we could compile The Grumblers List of Team Colors.

If framers who have done sports related projects would submit the colors they use we could build our own list.

I'll start with Green Bay Packers:
Top mat options (Greens): B878540, C1554, C7513, C1633 & suede C7111

Bot mat options (yellow):A4852 & B8409

I'll have to find Wisconsin Badgers.

Next!!!
 

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Originally posted by Dancinbaer:
On another thread regarding the subject of team colors someone suggested the mat companies create a series of mats that match NFL, NBA, MBL, NASCAR colors and maybe major colleges.

Amen to that!

You have no idea how tough it s trying to match a color and having to settle for something 6 shades less than the color you're looking for..
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If I had my choice, I would have them produce another 15 shades of red alone!

PS: A customer was looking for a silver mat yesterday, for an Art Deco print. Good luck with that too.
 

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Denny,

Michigan: Franks Fabrics Cascade Navy (2074) and Bainbridge 8455 Maize. Perfect match.

Virginia Tech: Crescent 7517 Dark Rose and Artique 4924 Vermillion.

Washington Redskins: All Artiques. 4866 Everest for the White; 4915 Berry Red (works well on photos and some posters); 4852 Saffron. We use the Everest on top and switch the Berry Red and Saffron depending on the piece.

Gus
 

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Denny I understand your desire and your recommendation. however Even if the manufactureres would comply I'll bet that some one or someones( Lol) would say "No that's not quite the right shade."

It would suplly a great starting oint either way , but I think you suggested consensus list would be more likely and helpful. I say since the variances like Paul mentioned could make a producer apprehensive.

while a good tip from a friend wuold give everyone a starting point at least.

I can't help any longer but some of the Sorts team town framers sure could they probaly do that sort of thing regularly.and if each team was suggested and complied it would be a great referance list.

Sort as a devil's advocate . When we had a shop DMC ( floss producers) worked with some of the mat companys to produce a list of mat colors that would work with certain Flos colors ( by their respective NUMBERS ( mat and FLOSS0 But don't you know when you suggested them with out saying "The Book says" customers would inevetibly say "no it's jsut a shade darker or lighter " and they might do that several times until you were back to where you started in the first place.LOL
But it's a good Idea.
BUDDY
 

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Thanks Denny, Gustopher, Paul, and Buddy you little devil you...

I now have something to discuss of a serious nature, with Crescent at the end of the month.

What we need is the Official stamp of NFL, NBA, MBL, NASCAR, and NCAA right on the face of those color corner samples. Then the faded photo, or misprinted poster, or bootleged booty wont set the cry-tearian when it doesn't match the true colors. :D
 

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baer--lotsaluck...for a decade or so we've been in a biz that had collegiate/highschool tieins for gifting BUT could never get "the" colors from any of the suppliers....when talking with them about this most had that glazed-eyed road-empty stare...and, of course, NO colors forthcomming!!! classic example---FL ST UNIV=garnet/gold(this one's almost a given)...there are, I think, 2 other Univ's. sporting that color, at least 3 hischools in this immediate ares, there is a pro team or 2 with it. would be a LARGE help to this industry if mat-makers just did pro teams...college would just be icing on the creampuff!
 

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What's the name of the testing lab or certifier of colors, I forget right now. But I watched a program about them a year or so ago, and as I remember they come up with custom formulas for certain big companies, like Coke who then own that color and have a patent on it. So using that exact color would require a license. Exact team colors no doubt are the same, especially if their logo was on the mat board sample. Thus I imagine that mat board would cost more.
 

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I've framed more than a couple of Green Bay Packer photos and memorabilia - especially around 1996.

I don't think I've ever seen any two items with the same shades of green and gold.

It's a case-by-case decision.
 

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John, the "Lab" you are thinking about would the Color Institute [or what ever their name is] that came up with the PMS which stands for like Primary Materials Spectrum... Which has been replaced by the ICC and PMA; the International Color Code and I don't remember the PMA but it is all being pushed into another coding and more extensive system for printers which I think is four letters or five.

Basically the same "numbers" apply to the same shade of color. And for printers, the code is the receipe for mixing color to end up with the same color of "Blue" year after magazine after flyer after website after ID tag after year for IBM.

This is called "Branding". IBM does NOT own that color.. they own their "Branding" which is the combination of that specific color used with their registered Trade Mark, Sales Mark, Copyright, or Registered Mark (logo).

As for Green Bay... the colors will be GR3798 and YL0214... no matter what the photo looks like, or how faded that bootleg niking jersey is... those are the "Team Branding" colors. Those will be the colors the printer MUST use when they print their letter head, business cards, brochures, etc.

Just the same as the 1970 GTO was painted B5 blue. If you go into an auto paint store and order "B5", it will be the same blue as the "Fold-Out" in the 1970 GTO brochure. [383Hemi, 6-pack, and Shaker Hood optional]. :D
 

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Although both were estabished in 1962, The Color Marketing Group (Non Profit,established in West Va.) and Pantone (established in New Jersey) appear to be 2 separate entities. I'd put my money on Pantone any day. It's the bible of the color industry.

I can't imagine how TCMG qualifes as a Non Profit.

Sorry to frankenthread, Decor's color predection issue is so far ahead of what we see in this part of the country it is ludicrous.
 

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Don't feel alone.... Those colors have no relevence in the Pacific North West either... Maybe it's just a NY thing. I showed it to three decorators, one who is a presenter at High Point.. they all laughed. But then around here "brown" represents "you over watered, or under watered, or threw the wrong chemicals at it and now it is DEAD". :D
 

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Baer I had some experience with Registered Product Colors. I once was advised by a Plastic Cup printer that when the Church fair I was designing the cup for Imprinted their Sponsors Logo "Schlitz" the printer would be required to use "SCHLITZ PURPLE" when doing so unless a written disclaimer was furnished by Schiltz's Home Office.

However just as Denny was suggesting as far as I know there is NO offical list of mat colors to correspond to School or Company Logos even with these Product registrations. ( Although I have seen computerized cam corders that will match any color to Paint colors in some paint shops .But hat is paint and only loaded with some Brand's info. Also the machines can vary just as color TVs can.)

So the question in my mind is ,be it as close as it can be or even Identical to the offical Game Jersey's or team colors how do we know what MAT COLOR and BRAND does this match and who says so, and most importantly are those matches officallt Registered or are they just opinions of the eyes of the beholders?
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For what it's worth:
I stopped at Home Depot today to ask about them having paint samples of the color of Tony Stewart's car. The sales associate gave me a pamphlet by Glidden paints titled "Team Colors - for interior & exterior". It shows all the teams colors for NASCAR, NFL, MLB, NBA, WNBA, COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES AND SOCCER.

Similar to mats they have, KEN white, JOE white, BOB white, Kyle white and MAR red, BIF red, NAS red, JJ red and SAD red to name a few.
 

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The truth is that not everyone sees the same thing when they see color. I'm sure you've had that experience. You select out a suitable shade from an array of burnt orange samples and the customer selects another shade. Your'e thinking eeeeuw.

My sister doesn't see a lot of difference (cool, warm etc.) in colors when she doesn't have a sample to compare them to. In a sunset she might see pink where I seen orange, or coral.
 
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