Slip sheet needed?

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Tommy P

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I should be embarrassed asking this question. But here goes.

I have (of course) always used a slip sheet when using my Fletcher 2200 mat cutter. Even if doing a double or triple mat. But it just occurred to me that a slip sheet is only needed for a single mat and then you don't need it.

Am I thinking right??? Please don't laugh.....
 
Yes, you are right.
The slip sheet is only needed so the mat you are cutting doesn't get a ragged edge to it. It needs something to press against or else the top layer of paper will tend to push away rather than cut cleanly.
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sorry I still had to laugh. ;)
 
Framah’s right, except if you’re cutting more than a double mat and the width of the reveals needs be very precise.

In those cases, you may want to have the number of slip sheets equal to the number of mats minus one.

For example: if you are cutting a quadruple mat, start out with three slip sheets when you cut the top mat. Remove one of the slip sheets when you cut the second mat; and when you reach the third mat, there should be one slip sheet beneath the mat. By the fourth mat, you don’t need one other than the mat beneath it.

My fuzzy trigonometric thinking is this: Because the slide bar is fixed by a hinge, as you raise the slide bar, the distance between the guide bar and slide bar gradually increases more than that which is indicated by the ruler on the measuring block thingie. In the above case, to compensate for this, each cut for each mat must be done at the same level, thus the multiple slip sheets.

It’s generally not a big deal unless you need each reveal exactly the same.
 
Bill...I just got a headache.
 
I use a slip sheet regardless to keep the mat face off my less-than-pristine matcutter base.

Bill gives me a headache, too.
 
Bill

I'm cutting slip sheets as we speak. I'm up to fourteen.........

Thanks for making my head spin....
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This is a prime example of why I love The Grumble!
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I just had a brainiac tell me that there is no need to use a slip sheet if you use the production stops. I asked him what one had to do with the other and he had an explanation that gave me a headache, I may never recover........
 
Bill, even with five 4 ply boards, the increase is so small it makes no difference unless you are into 1/32" reveals!
 
So Kathy, if I use production stops, as I usually do, I can forget the slip sheet entirely???
That's INSANE!!!
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I believe I've taken us down a slippery slope concerning slips... :D

So sorry.......
 
See, now, y'all could've beaten Tom up pretty good for this question. Instead, ya answered the question and made for some fun. Who says we can't get along? :D

Enjoy your slip sheets, Tom. You should notice the difference immediately.
 
Bill...I just got a headache.
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Bill gives me a headache, too.
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Thanks for making my head spin....
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Ahhh, good, my work is done!

John,

I agree that normally it is not a big deal, but your eye can discern differences in width of about 1/500 of an inch.

If it is absolutely critical that the reveals be exactly the same, the bottom mat of a quad mat (without the additional slip sheets) will be off by about 1/250”.

Some time ago, I did an eight layered mat (the customer wanted a deep, fading perspective). Without the additional slip sheets, the inner reveal (each supposedly 1/8”) was noticeably wider on the bottom mat than it was on the second mat.

Since then, out of habit, I always add additional slip sheets when I have more than a double mat.
 
Originally posted by Emibub:
I just had a brainiac tell me that there is no need to use a slip sheet if you use the production stops. I asked him what one had to do with the other and he had an explanation that gave me a headache, I may never recover........
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That's like saying you don't need to turn the heat on in your car if you are using the cup holder! I'm sure a case could be made, but it would be wrong!

I don't see what one has to do with the other. Production stops determine cut length, not depth.
 
Bill,

What happens when you get more slip sheets than the height of your guide? I say - thank God for Wizard. Oops - or Allah - I don't want to offend any Grumblers.

Pat :D
 
Pat, I think dealing with a Wizard or an Eclipes, they would both come under the heading of Druidism...

Therefore, maybe Goddess? :D
 
Bob wrote "That's like saying you don't need to turn the heat on in your car if you are using the cup holder! "

Are you saying I can turn off my heat even in the summer when I use my cup holder?

I WISH YOU TOLD ME SOONER, THIS SUMMER WAS A BEAR!!!
 
......Like I said, the explanation defied logic and gave me a headache. I should also note he did not understand my explantion of what the stops do and what the slipsheet does and why the two don't have a thing to do with each other. I ended up telling him my 20 years of experience trumped his 6 months. He accepted that.
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Bill - you're beginning to sound like Bob Hendrixson! The slip-sheet (he called them "underlayment") procedure you are describing is exactly what he used to teach!

Not to mention he used to measure the thickness of matboards with a micrometer when doing inlayed mats (anybody doing inlayed mats anymore - not me!).
 
I love inlay mats. Mainly because nobody else is doing them.

If you gotta use paper instead of fabric wrap... inlay. It can be sooooooo dramatic.

I'm working on a way (without a CMC) to figure out how to do an inlay mat all in fabric wrap. :D
 
What the Heck ever happened to old Bob Hendrixson? I used to stand around his setup at shows watching him demo for ages. What a (knowledgeable) character!
:cool: Rick

Also- whatever happened to Herb Carithers (The "C" in "C+H") ?
 
My Keeton Kutter has a Hendrixson head on it - wouldn't part with it for all the tea in China! And as long as I've been on the Grumble no one has ever been able to say whatever happened to old Bob.

Rick - he did put on a heck of a show, didn't he?
 
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