Since everyone hates Kinkade...

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...with all those "syrupy" scenes, here's a new one for ya. In the latest Art World News it is reported that "Kinkade Chosen as 2002 World Series Artist". Actually, it's a pretty cool looking picture. There are 2 paintings created during games 2 and 3. There doesn't seem to be any "painter of light" here!

Betty
 
This does not have to do with the previous post except that is about Kinkade.

Thursday night, Media Arts announced to their customer service reps that as of close of the day on Friday (yesterday) Kinkade dealers will not be able to purchas "Limited Edition" paper art any more. Dealers can now only buy paper art if it is preframed by Media Arts and they have no choice of mats or frames. If a dealer happened to find out about this on Friday, Media Arts would only let the dealer buy 2 prints.

Glad we don't deal with this crook! Guess I will send the Kinkade shoppers to QVC when they need a print now. Ha Ha!
 
I am so glad to hear that others think Kincade is Charlatan!

He IS a marketing genious, and is laughing all the way to the bank, but in no way will I ever acknowledge him as an artist.

I have had countless converstations about his tacktics. One one hand, he is appealing to people who wouldnt otherwise "collect art." And his basic premise is wholesome and altruistic, and really appeals to the general populous in Bible belt areas. I think Every Babtist in Oklahoma owns a Kincade. He has broaded thier horizons a bit about "collecting." And that is good for the art market, typically speaking.

However, he is undermining other artists who are trying to make a living reproducing prints, by flooding the market. He is undermineing his clientelle, who honestly believe that thier print on canvas will apreciate and that they made and investment, only to find out that they couldnt get a dollar for it at a garage sale if they so chose now. He is a lier, making people believe that he personally hand touched their print, (how can one man hand touch 30 million and counting prints...please!). And the story about his his signature being imprinted with his DNA is absolutely rediculous.

I applied with a Kincade gallery in Aspen, and though I was never serious about actually accepting the job, I had to know about their company policies and what lies they expect you to tell to customers.

Any one who tells me that they have a Kincade, I have to sadly say, "I am Sorry, you got suckered into that, you poor thing, I will gladly help you burn it."

I think it is ironic that his images are "so holy" when the creator is obviously NOT. The biggest lie of all.
 
I agree with all of the negative comments about Kinkade and could add a few of my own that would be ungentlemanly.

All this aside we must give credit to his expert marketing and financial success. Given the choice, which of us would not change places with Sir Thomas. We might have done things a bit different but wow, has he ever feathered his nest well.........and such a good christian.

Jack Cee
 
I may question many things about someone's character or actions, but I will never question their statement that they are a Christian. I feel that that is between them and God. My line for that: "The only person I have to answer for is me, and goodness knows I've got enough of that without worrying about answering for someone else."

Bash, trash, and curse him all you want, just please leave his relationship with God out of it.

Betty
 
Average ticket last year on custom framing: $168.58

Typical ticket on framing a Kinkade print: Easily double that

Typical response to those that can't get over it:
Don't hang it in your house

Typical response when someone brings one in for framing: Cartwheels
 
Yeah, I can't stomach the man or his art. I also can't stomach his use of a higher being as his marketing tool...........but I feel most people who buy it and value it are free to make their own decisions. I will gladly frame it and do a cartwheel or two myself.
 
Like my buddy Bob Carter, I don't particularly like his art.

Had a chance awhile ago to purchase about 30 of his pieces at firesale prices which we did.

then posted on Art Expediter at a 20X markup. Sold every one of them in about two months.
This is a business, folks. You may not like him, but he REALLY sells. can't wait to buy more of him and "flip" him for some large dollars.
 
I have never met the guy, so will not pass judgement. I am lead to believe that this is a grown-up approach.

I can honestly say that I personally do not like all of the work that we frame, there certainly are those that stand out, this appreciation of what appeals is what makes me want to carry on doing such work.

We all know the difference between real art and commercial art, how many here sell "real art"? whoops, selling "real art" makes it commercial doesn't it???

Get over it, framing is not the only way to make a living.
 
I love Kinkaid.
When one of his prints comes in the door, I know that we have a :D serious :D collector in. More times than not, they drop $400-$500 on their :eek: valuable :eek: piece.
 
Yeah, I can't stomach the man or his art. I also can't stomach his use of a higher being as his marketing tool...........but I feel most people who buy it and value it are free to make their own decisions. I will gladly frame it and do a cartwheel or two myself
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And that is my main grievance. I dont think lieing and pulling the wool over good people's eyes is exactly Christian behavior.
But as a Christian myself, I think there is something gravely wrong with this kind of marketing.
and Betty, there are a lot of "Christians" out there who ostentatiously leave a bad impression on others in the name of the Lord. "the wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak." The Bible tell us that this is a real threat to Christianity and our personal relationship with the Savior and we should be ever mindful of it.
And this conversation is getting probably tooo deep and philosophical for the Grumble, when we should be talking business, so I'll not comment any more about a man I have never met.

I have yet to see a Kincaid in my establishment, and I have no doubt that day will come. As a business minded person, I will probably frame the dang thing, but I wont like it.

I am sorry to offend anyone's personal beliefs, but it is a topic that I have dealt with my entire life (I certainly wont go into that here)
I have walked away from Christianity for the reasons mentioned above, and have come back to it with a new heart and mind and EYES! Some times you have to step away from things to see them for what they are.

PV
 
Limited edition my a**
Limited to the speed of the press.

There was a article in Decor Magazine several years ago, TK was recruiting new artist for Media Arts Group. It said that if an artist signs up with Media Arts Group that they have access to a patented signing system that eliminates the tedious hand signing of artwork.

This means that he has a machine that signs his art
He pays someone to number his art.
Does he actually paint his art?

I have had people come in my shop and point at one of the Kinkades on my wall and say: "my son has that original painting" I hold back my laughter and ask where they got it? Then I ask if it is numbered? they always say yes it is numbered. Come to find out that TK Signature Galleries in my area are selling the Canvas Editions as original works. The customer thinks that they are spending 2 or 3 grand on a Kinkade original. When in reality it is a canvas transfer.


FYI I have a friend that is a local printer that done a job for Media Arts Group printing TK art. He printed the art on a thin PVC then he would be mounted to canvas. The reason TK used PVC is that you can achieve a great image on it and that when it is transferred to canvas it actually melts into the canvas so what you end up with is a high quality image on canvas.


In my opinion expert marketing does not leave the customer feeling like they have been ripped off. I am sure all of his customers don't feel ripped off yet, but when they try to recoup their investment, they will.


Is it true that all his art has a 666 hidden in it?
 
Remember, folks. They don't pay us to like it, they pay us to frame it. (Good thing, too, because it would cost a lot to make me like some of the stuff that comes in here.)
 
Well, that stuff will pay off sooner or later. If his art makes people feel a little better during their lives, that's fine. And every time people learn a little something from mass marketers about things like canvas transfers, we all benefit from the new curiousity they have when they walk in the next time. It's too bad to hear that there's apparent subterfuge, but we'll see. Envy creates a lot of facts.

It's like Starbucks. Their coffee is absolutely horrible (over-roasted to a burnt crisp, specifically), but their incredible marketing has the masses convinced that espresso doesn't taste right unless it tastes like burned charcoal in your mouth. But if Starbucks wasn't around, there wouldn't be any of us independent espresso houses OR roasters doing well and being able to help educate people about the nuances in the flavors of really good coffee.

Companies like Starbucks and Kinkade drive people to you eventually. Be ready to help them a little further along their path when they drop in.


[ 03-10-2003, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: po' framer ]
 
Kinkade, Walter Keen, who cares, as long as it needs framing, I love it. I can't remember turning any customer away from my door because I didn't think what they were framing was " ART ".
I have declined to frame Nazi memorabelia in the past, but that's about it. We are here to earn a living and to provide a service in our community, not to judge their "ART".

John
 
It's funny because I have always been a Kinkade doubter and hater. Our gallery got our "rights" taken away to carry his work because a Kinkade gallery was moving in across the street. The bad part was that we couldn't offer his things to our customers, the good part is that we were getting the framing on the prints that were being purchased at their gallery and we didn't have to pick up the initial cost of keeping his artwork in house. Unfortunately this hurts all involved in the art game. I knew once he started having "MASTER HIGHLIGHTERS" adding to his paintings for a cost and it wasn't even him that this would all come to where it has. Also seeing him gush about his own work on QVC is quite funny. I also can't get over the smirk he had on his face during the whole 60 minutes item on his work, it was quite disturbing to see him chuckle about how mass produced he is. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Thanks
 
It's an insult Turner, isn't it, Seth. Talk about plagerism or identity theft.

Any progress on getting Blanche to the States yet?
 
An aggregious (SP?) insult indeed. The progress report is that both an INS I-130 and I-129F have been filed and duly received. Hillary clinton has been faxed and e-mailed with no response to date, but the K-1 visa that should result from the I-129F should be available in 60-90 days.
 
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