Simplicity

Lance E

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Heres a wonderful piece of Japanese Embroidery that just screamed for simple.

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Lance,
Nice job - what glazing did you use?

(One embellishment thats possible on that type of work is to stitch a simple line in the same gold thread on the mat)
 
osgood--how would you do that?--stitch on a mat


Elsa
 
Weighted mat would have been nice too.

Elsa, with a mat sewing machine, of course. :D

poke 4 holes, same as French line. sew through holes.

rounded corner or kiobi corner comes to mind also.

Red silk wrapped mat with that gold thread line...

But then, "simplicity" is sometimes complicated.
 
I took the pic before glass went in, getting smarter in my old age you see...

I went the bottom weighted route, initially by about 40mm extra, then cut it back further and further until it looked right, it ended up being the same all the way around. Then I tried again starting at 200mm extra (the peice is about 440 long) and did the same, ekwal sides was the only way it looked right. If you want I'll photoshop the pic to show you just how frustratingly wrong it looks...

I did look at a gold line on the mat, maybe I should have done it after all. Red was ick.
 
I prefer orientals done with a simple design, like yours. I like them done with a kiobe corner mat and a round corner frame.

When I weight the bottom of an oriental, I also add dimension to the top. So the sides are narrower than the top, the top narrower than the bottom. Sounds to me like you might have been only weighting the bottom w/o adding to the top.

Nice job.
 
Pam, that thought struck me this afternoon too... there would need to be the top weight also to provide the ying and yang to the picture.
 
Originally posted by elsa:
osgood--how would you do that?--stitch on a mat
Elsa
Elsa,
A fine needle hole at each corner and 4 pieces of thread. Tape the thread at the back after passing the ends of the thread through the holes. For longish lines of threads on larger mats, fine needle holes in a spot or two, evenly spaced along the line.

Alternatively, the threads can be put in running along the top, along the back, along the top, etc, then opposite to fill in the complete lines.

You will need a spacer between the glass and the mat to keep the thread line away from the glass.
 
I have never thought of doing that! What a cool idea--I am doing a certificate for a friend, I purchased a black leather mat and a lovely deep blue silk and have been playing with ideas on how to add a bit of silver--because the cert. has a silver seal. Didn't really want to add a third mat for cost reasons and size. humm...I get to play!!


Elsa
 
Originally posted by elsa:
I have never thought of doing that! What a cool idea--I am doing a certificate for a friend, I purchased a black leather mat and a lovely deep blue silk and have been playing with ideas on how to add a bit of silver--because the cert. has a silver seal. Didn't really want to add a third mat for cost reasons and size. humm...I get to play!!


Elsa
Hey, now there are some neat silver and gold heavier threads and flosses that are used for tying flies......Yah, I do that too.
 
Quick question, but sort of on topic- do you guys ever get tired of customers asking for bamboo style frames on Oriental art?

I have done several beautiful pieces with bamboo style frames, don't get me wrong- but sometimes I just get tired of people asking for the same thing or I think it can be too busy or overpowering.
 
Originally posted by elsa:
I have never thought of doing that! What a cool idea--I am doing a certificate for a friend, I purchased a black leather mat and a lovely deep blue silk and have been playing with ideas on how to add a bit of silver--because the cert. has a silver seal. Didn't really want to add a third mat for cost reasons and size. humm...I get to play!!


Elsa
You could also try a thin silver ribbon. I love adding ribbons to mats.
 
That looks like a mat change. Looks better.

To answer belinda. I don't like bamboo frames on Orientals. If a customer asked for one, I asked if could we try something a little less contrived. Just because they asked for it doesn't mean I sold it to them without showing them other options.
 
And the light blue looks a little gentler too, Lance. Brings out the idea of being at sea.

Just about every time I have ever thought about tossing the bamboo frame corners.... I sell a few.

Pamela, you said "contrived" like that was a bad thing.... :D
 
Not the right word, is it? I had to look it up, because what I thought it meant wasn't right. I did mean it in a bad way. Like the person who designed it had no imagination.

I'm not seeing the light blue.
 
So when the person brings in a Pinky or Blue Boy... is it contrived if they want a Louis XVI like on the originals?

Baroque on Dedisi's "Bridge of Sighs"?

Straight black frame on a Miro?

Art Nouveu on a Maxwell Parish?

Green Clay frame on a school photo of a first grader? Talk about turn-about is fair play...

Some times the cliche is a cliche because it is so widely used because it it right...

Excuse me while I go throw my d'Jin painting into a proper N1551.
 
No, because they go with the period of the artwork, or what the artist intended. Did Asian artists really put bamboo in their artwork, or is that a Western interpretation? I really am curious, not being a smart-alec.

I would think you could put any frame on any artwork, as long as the frame pre-dates, and looks good on, the artwork.

Alot of people like bamboo frames. I don't. Can't help it.
 
I really don't like bamboo either. I have not seen (yet) an oriental art piece that could benefit from it.

I find that a black frame with distressed gold lip that has little black dots on it (Fox has them, numbers: 5068,5067 and 5626) looks really good on oriental themes.

I could bring my digi camera tomorrow and post a picture of those frame samples, if anyone is interested.
 
I've been having success with the Pagoda line from Studio. But, I've heard rumors they may discontinue it! :(
 
Paul, I would love to see what you have.

FYI, From what I was told, the next PPFA print competition is going to be an Oriental design from Chris Pascke (sp?).
 
Originally posted by Pamela DeSimone, CPF:
Paul, I would love to see what you have.

FYI, From what I was told, the next PPFA print competition is going to be an Oriental design from Chris Pascke (sp?).
Hi Pamela:

Here are the Fox frames that I use a lot with oriental themes.

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In reading the comments here I notice that some think that this is a Black frame, not so, it is a very dark brown over a red base. If you compare the intensity of the material and the frame you will see that there is a reasonably large difference.

The mat is a white/grey, I don't have the number just at hand but I can assure Baer that he needs to calibrate his monitor is there is any blue showing through - although there is a 4% Cyan cast on the entire photo if you measure it.
 
Originally posted by Pamela DeSimone, CPF:
Not the right word, is it? I had to look it up, because what I thought it meant wasn't right. I did mean it in a bad way. Like the person who designed it had no imagination.

I'm not seeing the light blue.
I completely agree, not only is it contrived, but it just gets old after a while.

To answer the other person that listed a bunch of things that 'work'

Sometimes it does show a lack of imagination if you just put what usually goes on something. I try to get around my preconcieved ideas about what works and what doesn't quite often, because I think that the customers deserve more creativity than that.

To answer Pamela though...I have not seen many Oriental pieces in bamboo style frames. Most of the Oriental frames I have seen have been hand carved ornate frames, plain black frames and weighted top/bottom wood frames with little or no matting.

Much Oriental work is done on cloth or ricepaper and the stuff that is framed (that I have seen) has not been in a bamboo frame unless it was framed in the U.S.

It's like a bad stereotype.
 
Rose tinted glasses Baer? Maybe you just removed them for a moment to look at the picture and the after-image cast of blue remained? :cool:
 
I've seen bamboo frames used to elegant effect on non-asian themes. One was equestrian with warm rosy dark 1.5" bamboo frame, heavily textured fabric mat, sort of chenille, colored like Prato suede, and matching wood fillet. The other was a very narrow, nay, cheesy, little frame I wouldn't have deigned to REGARD without a sneer it was so weirdly colored, walnut with green added in the low spots, overdescribing, but truly hated it. My fellow designer used it on a small etching of a sailboat with the ungodly perfect limited palette to match that frame and a wide white mat looking fabulous! I was never more stunned in the frame shop. Now I look at bamboo frames in a new light, though I still look studiously AWAY from them when confronted with an asian-themed job, and that's that.
 
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