Sandwiching a record

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ammo_ozzie

ammo_ozzie

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A customer came in today and asked if would be able to frame her 45 record and it's jacket between two pieces of glass. I have a display with a piece of paper done that way and a shadowbox with museum glass (no backing) but I am not sure if I can do this record between 2 pieces of glass. She wants to be able to preserve it since it is valued over $1000.00 and also see both sides. Does anyone know if this can be done and if so, how would I go about doing it?

The museum shadowbox display I have is with Skittles candy and those are glued onto the back glass so it looks like it is floating but I DO NOT want to do this to her record or jacket. Ideas would be helpful please.
 
We recently did a beatles collection of 45rpm records. There were 5 records. I cut round openings in two mats( reverse bevels and ATG'd them back to back (kind of like the old rare coin cardboard holder) Cut the holes so the records slide in snug. With a CMC, getting the holes aligned is a snap. Then, we sandwiched the two mats with the record between two pieces of glass. If you do it just right, the mats are thicker than the record so it does not touch the glass.

You could do the same with the alblum cover.
 
Here is an option. What if you were to cut 2 mats, say 1" wide to follow the contour of the

album and cover according to your layout. Glue the mats back to back. Follow the contour

with both the inside and outside of the mat. Attach the back of this mat to the glass. Drop the

album and cover into the mat opening and proceed as usual. This way you can leave as much

glass as border that the customer would like.
 
Deja vu

I'll tell you what I'd recommend to the customer.

The priority is preservation?

Don't frame it!

You may be able to keep it looking the same for as long as poss in an environment it was never designed for - but who can say if the thing would still play 50 years down the road?

I would reproduce the label and stick it on any old record the same size and then frame it.

Or - as long as the customer's choice was an informed one and s/he wanted to continue - I'd do what you did - ask here!
 
Roboframer is right. I asked the same kind of question on the UK Framers Forum and was also warned not to do it.

The record in my case was the only one in existance all the others having been destroyed, because it was withdrawn for legal reasons, but someone sneaked this one away and got it signed by the artist, just before he died. I was never told what the record was or who the artist was, but the owner is a famous record company executive / producer.

Over an extended period of time, I asked all kinds of questions and the unfortunate fact is that no matter how you support the record it is very hard to be sure it won't become deformed by the effects of gravity acting upon it or even in some cases the effects of the stresses remaining from the original manufacturing process.

The degree of mechanical deformation required to cause audible distortion when playing the record is a major issue here. I'm told that record company archives have similar problems. In the end, the owner, his insurance people and myself all agreed not to frame it. It was a pity, I was so looking forward to doing it too!
 
but wouldn't you have loved to bill him for your time?
 
I was in the middle of something else when she approached me. The one full time person I have working for me was waiting on her so I didn't pay her that much attention until she asked me about my skittles display. I didnt even think to ask her if she would ever play it again, but yet....I wasnt really thinking at that time about it. I told her I would check on it and get back to her. I thank you for your input and I do believe that framing it, no matter what way, would degrade the value over time. If it is worth as much as she says it is, I think I will suggest some type of album protection, away from framing it. I knew you guys would help me.
 
I like Robo's idea of duplicating the label and putting it on a dummy 45, to "remind" her of the valuable and rare real one being kept safe in a vault. That way she can have her cake and -I mean- well, you get it. Everybody wins with that scenario.
 
Just out of curiosity, what is the record? $1000 for a 45 is a whole lotta money!
 
Does anyone have photos of framed records? I had a large record come in today, not sure what it was as I was leaving for an installation and Jeff was taking in the order. There was also a crumpled paper cover with a faded red RCA logo on it. Customer doesn't care how the record is attached. Gave us creative license. Any ideas? I want to frame the record and do something interesting with the paper cover. Customer suggested that we cut out the RCA label. This is not a high end preservation job, but we will protect it regardless. Ideas?
 
hangupsgallery said:
In 50 years who's going to have anything to play it on? Went to Best Buy to by a replacement turntable to play my 60's alblums. The kid didn't even know what a turntable was. Whoops, now you know how old I am.
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They are have again started to sell Vinyl players in this part of the world……..this is just an example of one type available….

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000LUW1BK/shopzilcouk-21/ref=nosim
 
I've recently framed two 45 RPM's. One was a collector piece and another was just decorative ..."Bitch is Back", by Elton John. The EJ 45 was for a fiery redhead who has all kinds of Jimmy Buffet stuff framed and has gone through hundreds of feet of bamboo moulding. Since it was purely decorative I used Lascaux adhesive microdots to hold it in place ...of course with my customers permission. It was mounted onto a black core mat board with a circular small mat cut out showing the black core in the spindle hole. The same color mat board then backed the mat. Spacers then kept the record off the glass.

The collector's record was transparent and irregular in shape. A fellow Grumbler cut two reverse bevel mats for me following the shape and designing in Path Trace. The front glazing was Museum Glass then one mat then the record then a rear facing mat then acrylic. The record was suspended between the two mats.

I didn't feel that the mats were sufficient to hold the record in place so I fashioned a very short wood dowel to the size of the hole in the record and painted it black to simulate the spindle on a record player. This dowel was then glued in place to the back acrylic glazing. The back glazing was held in place with quarter rounds.

Both sides of the record could then be seen.

Somewhere I have pictures of the finished piece but can't locate them right now.:shrug:
 
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