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Frankidadio

Frankidadio

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Matching whites is such a pain... I have a client with a large inkjet b/w photograph on a really bright, white art paper. She wants an 8ply white mat to match the paper as close as possible. After looking at my samples, bainbridge Alpha, Rising, and an (older) crescent specifier, none of them come close enough. I suggested sourcing the same paper and mounting it on a white ragboard. She doesn't want to do this. Is there something out there I haven't heard of? Thanks
 
In the printing world there is a white that is 120% refractive.
You can also buy this bright of a white in printer paper. REALLY tuff on the eyes.

Try a paper supplier or call a large printer.
 
The real kicker is, you could find a PERFECT white under your lights, the customer could take the finished piece home, and discover that it doesn't match AT ALL under her lights.

Probably the only way to avoid that would be to do what you suggested in the first place.

120% refractive??
 
Artique's Digial White is the whitest white I can think of. It's 120% whiter than other white mats. The number is at work; I'm at home.

If an exact match is that critical, I'd cut 3" slices off some boards and let her take them home to see what works best. Or, drop by her house with a handful of samples. While you're there you can check to see what else needs to be framed or re-framed.

Kit
 
I'm with you Ron...

[Disclaimer here: I went to public school and math was NOT my strong suite, neither was englisk.]

100% whiter would indicate that it is TWICE as white. So 120% whiter is 2.2x white = whiter...

:eek:

How does they do that? And who exactly tests the white, whiter, whiterer? :eek:

But more importantly in my mind... and with my prejudgices.... is the artwork that ugly that you have to work 120%whiter to draw the eye away?
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In Crescent's summer launch for the Select line they added #9613, the color is called "super white", my rep told us it has optical brighteners in it. It is only made in a 4ply version though.
 
Another 'yay' for digital white, 4977.
To make an 8 ply, just bond two 4 ply boards together with Acrylic gloss medium and a heat press.

edie the itseasy goddess
 
I tried not to ask this but I keep reading these post and coming away with the same questions in my mind.

First isn't the relative degree of whiteness a comparative issue to any other object that is white? by this I mean how white an object( Mat) is is only relative to another object that is also white.

And since the degree of color or hue is a comparative issue and the percentage of the Refraction is as best i know a measurement of the angle at which light is reflected off of an object aren't they really Two seperate measurements?

But most of all does any average Framer concern themselves or more importantly their customers with the %of refraction and how many of the framers let alone customers understand what that means anyway?

Wouldn't it be more helpful to show the two white objects next to one another and say which do you feel works better with your work?
BUDDY
 
I know this is a photo so this is why I say it. Why not put a black black core down first to get it further away from the white. This helps in making it an eaier match. Atleast for me it works.

PL in the house finally
 
Sometimes we use Crescent's Barely Blue as a really white white but without the blinding effects of optical brighteners...
 
To he who speaks way over my head.

BUDDY said:
And since the degree of color or hue is a comparative issue and the percentage of the Refraction is as best i know a measurement of the angle at which light is reflected off of an object aren't they really Two seperate measurements?

But most of all does any average Framer concern themselves or more importantly their customers with the %of refraction and how many of the framers let alone customers understand what that means anyway?
BUDDY
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Buddy, ;) I doubt that any framer has ever thought of the percentage of refraction while working at the design counter...or maybe never at anytime for that matter.:icon21:

You are boggling my mind.
 
No such thing as white

I am now of the opinion that there really is no such thing as white. What are they all but extremely light shades of different colors.... which one can truly be called white? Anyway, thank you all for your suggestions, I am going to get a few of the samples I don't have.
 
jframe said:
Buddy, ;) I doubt that any framer has ever thought of the percentage of refraction while working at the design counter...or maybe never at anytime for that matter.:icon21:
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Sorry Jo, but that is exactly what I am teaching at the design counter. Fabric is not just about textures.. and beauty. It is also about the lack of refraction that give the depth of color that you will never get with paper or semi-fabric boards.

As for more information then you ever wanted on color... and you think you have lots of time to just throw down the Rabbit Hole...

http://tx4.us/moacolor.htm
 
Thanks for the link, Baer. How in the world did you find that?

You mean for the past 30 or so years I thought I was selling fabric for the depth of color or richness etc, when all that time I was actually teaching about refraction of light?:faintthud:

Probably not, it was more of an spontaneous, intuitive thing for me.
 
Frankidadio said:
I am now of the opinion that there really is no such thing as white. What are they all but extremely light shades of different colors.... which one can truly be called white?
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And once you realize they are tints, not shades, the epiphany will be complete.

Even if there was a truly pure white matboard, it would reflect the ambient light, which would normally not be white.
 
Pantone

Jo another equally impressive website which deals with printed color can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone

Be sure to read how it seems to say that the issue can be confusing ( at least to small minded people like me and customers I have served) and also note that it is some what the basis of the other websites theory.
BUDDY
PS I got like most other people do by cutting and pasting key words from selected topics and doing a GOOGLE SEARCH, I had no previous knowledge or cared to.
 
And, in the end, what difference does it make???

I believe y'all just like to argue about stuff that nobody can ever prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. This reminds my of an old Bill Cosby album title, "Why is there Air??"

My high school days taught me that white was the reflection of all color and black was the absorption of all color.

It also taught me that 100% of anything was the entire enchilada.

I have struggled through life believing this and I don't feel the worse for wear.

Please leave me in my refractive ignorance, it's making my head hurt.:icon9:

(Answer to question for all you young pups: "To blow up basketballs, of course!")

Framerguy
 
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