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Message: [QUOTE="Jim Miller, post: 1020878, member: 20890"] Yes, what you're missing is that the older-technology of the machine you're looking for has been replaced by CMC technology. Regardless of brand, a CMC provides much better precision and versatility. The fact that you don't "need" all the capabilities of a CMC doesn't necessarily mean such a machine wouldn't be a good investment. You might soon realize that the precision, speed, and added features can be quite beneficial to your business. To my knowledge, Wizard is the only CMC maker with the option of per-corner charges, and that deal never seemed good for my business. I ought both of my CMCs outright, and would do so again. And, just so you know, there are lots of dependable CMCs on the secondary market for only a few thousand dollars. Maybe one of those would cost less than a new Esterly. Have you checked with CMC Doctor? [/QUOTE]