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Dave Rakoczy

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Being a basement hobbyist I'm not up on the different types of glass available to the industry (yet). I did a previous piece with UV conservation glass at the request of owner.

Now I have another piece to do and the owner has requested I use low-glare glass.
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I would think UV and low-glare glass are two different beast, but being a newbie I thought I would check with the pro's. :confused:

Question 2: Are their any other different types of Glass I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance.
 
And then there's the acrylic (you may be more familiar with the term "Plexiglas"). It is also available in:
Clear
conservation clear
reflection control
conservation reflection control

Use it on large pieces to help with the weight, but not on anything with pastels.

(More to add Lois?)

Also check the "archives" on the Decor and Picture Framing Magazine web sites. There have been numerous articles on "glazing".

Betty
 
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Regular : Plain old clear glass

Non-Glare : Plain old glass, acid-etched on one side to reduce glare. Also known as reflection control. Don't use on art with more than two mats or fillets, otherwise there will be too much distortion. Also really stinks on fabric mats.

Conservation : Coated on one side to filter out up to 97% of damaging UV radiation. The coated side scratches easily, so it goes on the inside toward the artwork.

Conservation Reflection Control : UV coating on one side, etched on the other.

AR Glass : Anti-reflective, coated with a quartz-type (I think) coating to virtually eliminate reflections. Beautiful stuff, but very pricey and can be a bugger to clean. Used to be known as Den Glass.

Museum Glass: The Rolls Royce of glass. All the same properties of AR glass but with a UV coating on one side.

Water White Glass: Available with or without UV coating. It's glass made with a low iron content, which greatly reduces the greenish cast of other glasses. But since it has less iron, it can be a bit weak and brittle.

Perfect View ? : Or something like that. A hybrid of reflection control and AR glass, made to be an option for a price point between the two. Etched on one side, coated on the other. Available with or without UV protection.

Confused yet? Just wait!

Then there's acrylic glazing, aka Plexi! Good for large pieces to reduce weight and chance of breakage. Great for kid's rooms or high-traffic areas such as schools, offices, restaurants and prisons. Don't use it on pastels (static) and don't clean it with paper towels (it'll scratch.)

You can get it in:
Regular
Non-glare
Conservation
Conservation non-glare
AR Gotcha! In this case AR means Abrasion Resistant. Means it's a lot harder to scratch it.

Check out Tru-Vue's website and Cyro's for more information. Take a look in the Grumble for past threads about handling and cleaning plexi and AR glass.

I noticed that some of these terms, such as Reflection Control and Museum Glass are trademarked by Tru-Vue, but have become almost generic terms. Guess that comes with being the biggest name in the industry. Sort of how Kleenex and Q-Tips must feel.
 
Wow...

Thanks for all the great information, the Tru Vue link was a wealth of knowledge in itself.

Some times it's suprising how much one does not know. I see I have a lot of learning to do, but I'm looking forward to it.

Thanks again,

Dave

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When I read "basement hobbyist" I braced myself for the firestorm of abuse that would be returned to this seeker. I'm pleasantly surprised by such cordial & helpful treatment. Are we growing up a little?
 
Originally posted by Dave Rakoczy:

Some times it's suprising how much one does not know.
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Yes, but now you know that you don't know. It's worse when you don't know that you don't know... or as Jerry would say
"Ignorance is the beginning of Intelligence, Intelligence is the knowledge of Ignorance"
Jerry Vandergriff, CPF cm

By the way, if you can get of copy of Framing Business News this month, there's an article on glazing. (It just came today, I haven't read it yet.)

Betty
 
No, RevBev, I don't think it is a matter of "growing up" as much as it is treating one with the same respect that they use in coming on the Grumble with a question. Dave was honest and open and his profile indicated that he was, in fact, a hobbyist.

I started out as a "home framer". Many of us have. But, if somebody comes on this forum with no profile and wants to know the answer to some professional question, it casts a shadow of doubt in many of our minds as to their real intentions. I would be willing to help him find answers to his questions if it meant helping him become better at framing and possibly lead to a full time career in this profession. I saw nothing ambiguous in his question nor did I sense that he was "fishing" for some free info on doing a single framing for his grandma or the next door neighbor.

I questioned a posting on another forum recently that was all but anonymous. The guy had nothing but his e-mail address listed in his profile and wanted to know about a technical aspect of adjusting a software program to suit his needs. His reply was as belligerent as his original question and I dealt with it as many of us have here on the Grumble by asking for at least a profile on who he was, what he did, and where he was located. We have done that many times here in the recent past. This type of demanding question doesn't sit well with me and I told him so. He fired back with a very defensive reply so I decided to end my dialog with him with a rebuttal to HIS allegations about me.

I guess he is still waiting for somebody to give him an answer but it won't be me.

FGII
 
I agree with framerguy. And, by the way, Dave, welcome to the Grumble, or, as we call it, the 'G'.

Dave was friendly enough, AND confident enough of US that he used his name as a screen name and put his email address in his profile. Lets me know he welcomes any advice or comments on this forum and ones that may be long enough, or of such a nature as to require an email answer. Welcome aboard, Dave!!
 
All,

Thanks for the friendly welcome. Yes, I did read the post FrameGuy refered to about the person fishing for professional input, that's why I set my profile the way I did. I know I have a lot to learn, and how better to learn than from the pro's who frame for a living.

A few years back I took a Framing class at a local Community College, just to do some of my own Memorabilia for my game room. From what others told me I did some nice work on those pieces. Over the past few years I'd do a piece here and there for others, to where now I already have done 6 pieces this year with 7 more in the hopper. It's getting to the point where I need to acquire additional skills and information to satisfy some of the request that are starting to come my way.

I'm starting to entertain the Idea of setting up a home based Business, and looking for additional framing classes to attend.

Hopefully I'm going about this the correct way (asking for help). I know in my business (Mainframe Computers), I enjoy helping those who want to learn, those who just want me to 'do for them', I don't have the time of day for.

I'm looking forward to participating on the "G" as you call it. What a wonderful resource it is for someone in my position.

Thanks for all the help, present and future.
 
Welcome to THE "G" Spot Dave. I started as a basement framer hobbiest. Those were the good ole years, while i recall.... well nevermind.

I sometimes think I wish I had stayed in the basement, but no....

Anyway, I learned from somebody that knew their s*** so to speak, and wasn't aware of The Grumble until after I joined the PPFA and the Online Exchange.

Framer has created a wonderful bulletin board here and all questions are welcome, answers are welcome too.
 
Hello all,

TruGuard(UV)glazing options:

Conservation Clear 97% UV
Conservation Ultra Clear 97% UV
Conservation Reflection Control 97% UV
Conservation Perfect Vue 97% UV
Musuem Glass 97% UV

Sean McLaughlin
Tru Vue, Inc.
District Sales Manager
 
Welcome to the Grumble Dave, the guys are right this place is for all framers.

Welcome to the Grumble Sean great to see you on board without doubt manufacturers/vendors can answer lot’s of the questions which pop up on the Grumble after all you’re the guy’s with the answers at your finger tips……keep in touch, you might get a bit of flak from time to time but believe me it will be worth it.

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I am flattered by the wealth of knowledge in this group on acrylic. It is true acrylic is half the weight of glass and naturally "water white."

Regular - 10 times the impact resistance of glass and ACRYLITE FF3 is guaranteed defect free for the framing market.
Non-glare - ACRYLITE P99 also defect free
Conservation - ACRYLITE OP3 - 98% UV filtering. UV filtering throughout the sheet so it won't scratch off.
Conservation non-glare - ACRYLITE OP3-PP9; 98% UV filtering.

And for the grand finale: ACRYLITE AR. It does mean abrasion resistant, but it is also chemical resistant against common household cleaners such as Windex, Mr. Clean, etc. It is also offered with UV filtering properties, ACRYLITE AR OP3. 98% UV filtering.
 
CYRO welcome to the Grumble another vendor am I correct? super stuff.......now all you need to do is let me know how to source your products in Europe.
 
Welcome to the Grumble, Cyro, and Sean!

I am so pleased to see more and more vendors and manufacturers come onto the G and share information with us. You guys are part of the main structure that gives us framers something to sell to the public. When we have problems or questions about a specific product, it is really handy to have advice straight from the "horse's mouth", so to speak.

Many times I see questions posted on this forum that aren't really addressed because of our limited knowledge of the product and it is reassuring to know that you are out there watching and listening to us.

Don't be shy and don't be afraid to toss in your 2&#162 worth from time to time.

Framerguy
 
Why is it that every time I think of something really neat to say, framerguy beats me to it?

Welcome Vendors/manufacturers, everybody in the business! Glad you're listening, and posting. You DO realize that by posting, you're apt to get lotsa questions? Glad you spoke up! Shows you're not afraid to ANSWER questions! Good for you!!

Originally posted by Dave Rakoczy:


I'm starting to entertain the Idea of setting up a home based Business, and looking for additional framing classes to attend.

Hopefully I'm going about this the correct way (asking for help).

I'm looking forward to participating on the "G" as you call it. What a wonderful resource it is for someone in my position.

Thanks for all the help, present and future.
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Dave, you're doing everything right so far! And what a refreshing, good attitude! You've come to the right place!!
 
Now, Charles,

It simply proves out the old addage that "Great minds think alike".

(Or is it "Warped minds curve in the same direction?")

FGII
 
Dave - welcome. It sounds like you have the desire and the skill and you'll find the folks on the "G" are great. They even put up with us distributors!

If you'll call 1-800-735-3025 and ask for Nat he'll send you some class information. We have a five day class in our Detroit distribution center that will give you all the basics and then some.

Good luck.

John
 
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