Question problems with 3m bumpers

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razickas

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Hi, wondering if anyone has heard of 3m brown round bumpers melting, I have had three customers tell me they seem to "melt" and leave a brown stain on the wall. These have all been pictures framed by me at least 20 years ago.
 
I have a question....... PARDON the frankenthread.....

But why do people not use the search function? SERIOUSLY!
 
Miss Nicole,
Go easy on the newbie!:kaffeetrinker_2:

And razickas, you're new enough to be welcomed as well: Welcome to the Grumble! Where have you been all this time anyway?

edie the wednesdaywelcomingcommittee goddess
 
perhaps the search for the search button is a futile search for the searcher. Search me !
 
Framing Goddess said:
Miss Nicole,
Go easy on the newbie!:kaffeetrinker_2:

And razickas, you're new enough to be welcomed as well: Welcome to the Grumble! Where have you been all this time anyway?

edie the wednesdaywelcomingcommittee goddess
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Forgive her Edie, she's knocked up and ready to blow! :icon21:

Yea, what Edie said, welcome to the G.
 
The question that always comes to my mind is: Will these things never die? Surely they can't be still out there being applied to newly framed art. Even if you found a box of them in the back room they would be a gummy mess...wouldn't they?
 
THERE'S like 50 threads JUST on this topic!
Maybe I've been around too long.... SORRY!

It's like I'm having DE JA POO........ seen this carp before.... :nuts:
 
As you have undoubtedly learned by now using the Search function, the melting BumpOn problem is an old one that keeps coming back to haunt us.

The answer is, and always has been, to use BumpOns that are not brown or black. Personally, I prefer clear.

Felt Bumpers don't melt, that is true, but they go flat and they do not have any non-slip benefit. Also, I've never seen BumpOn adhesive migrate or become gummy, but the adhesive on felt bumpers often does, which can leave a gooey mess where they transfer from the dustcover to the wall.
 
blackiris said:
I have a question....... PARDON the frankenthread.....

But why do people not use the search function? SERIOUSLY!
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Nicole I just posted a question on a Mac website.

The first response was ":bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh:" or something to that effect :)

They told me to do a search, but none linked me to a prior thread.... The link would have been helpful as the search I then did was not.

When this thread popped up I did an eye roll, but am glad that others here treated the question better than I did. Since they wouldn't answer my question at the Mac site could you tell me why Flash won't work on my iPod?


Welcome to the Grumble Joan :)
 
wvframer said:
Even if you found a box of them in the back room they would be a gummy mess...wouldn't they?
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Not necessarily.

One theory I heard some years ago was that the chemical formulation of brown and black BumpOns was reactive with some airborne chemical contaminants, perhaps something like combustion exhaust from a furnace or cooking appliance.

If that theory holds true, maybe the BumpOns closed up in a box on a shelf would never melt. Until they are exposed to the reactive chemistry in the air, they might seem perfectly normal.
 
Bob Doyle said:
Since they wouldn't answer my question at the Mac site could you tell me why Flash won't work on my iPod?
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hahaha, did you actually ask that at a mac forum? You're lucky they didn't send legions of turtlenecked thugs to your house.

(The short answer is because Steve Jobs does not like Adobe)
 
I always thought of them like little bubbles of goo. With the constant pressure from hanging, they go along fine till one day they just go POP and then carp down the wall.

I use clear bumpons and have for a few years.
 
Bob Doyle said:
When this thread popped up I did an eye roll, but am glad that others here treated the question better than I did. Since they wouldn't answer my question at the Mac site could you tell me why Flash won't work on my iPod?
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Ok well..... sorry I apparently have NO FILTER..... and said what everyone
else was thinking.... so sue me.... :shrug:
When you go to a forum.......... don't you search ur question first anyway?
 
Joan

Framing Goddess said:
Miss Nicole,
Go easy on the newbie!:kaffeetrinker_2:

And razickas, you're new enough to be welcomed as well: Welcome to the Grumble! Where have you been all this time anyway?

edie the wednesdaywelcomingcommittee goddess
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Hi, thanks for the welcome, I really appreciate it. well, I have been framing for 32 years now, and am almost ready to retire, I have been watching the grumble for a while now and have really enjoyed it. Since I am an old fashioned glue and nail gal, I have hestitated to enter into discussion. I love framing. I love my customers, well, most of them and love seeing something awful come in and go out looking great. I have been saddened by the decline of the industry, all the companies I have watched go out of business and miss the great old trade shows I used to go to. My shop is in Catskill, New York, a rural town just south of Albany. so, that's it for now, thanks again for the welcome. Joan

"All's well that ends well"
 
Bob Doyle said:
When this thread popped up I did an eye roll, but am glad that others here treated the question better than I did. Since they wouldn't answer my question at the Mac site could you tell me why Flash won't work on my iPod?


Welcome to the Grumble Joan :)
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Because Ipod is Apple and Steve Jobs has had a feud with Adobe for forever over some carp.

If you do a search on the internet you can find out the whole non-issue story. :thumbsup:
 
razickas said:
...I am an old fashioned glue and nail gal, I have hesitated to enter into discussion.
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You sound almost apologetic for using time-tested methods! They may not be used as much as they used to be, but I still use my vises and nails with some frequency. I have only been framing full time about half as long as you have, and I only learned of this bumpon problem a few years ago. I was shocked at how common the problem was and felt like I was the last to know. (I'm still shocked that there are any left out there to melt!)

Welcome the the Grumble and jump in anytime. There is a lot of barking 'round here, but so far I have never heard of any bites.
 
Jim, I think you are right. They may never die. And maybe the discussion will live on....sorry, I obviously have too much time on my hands today.
 
Bumpons melt when they are put on the backs of bad art. Or when there are evil people or disobedient children on the other side of the wall.

And each year the 1" felt discs from Lowes migrate something like 1/4" toward the floor. I exaggerate not.
 
more_so said:
And each year the 1" felt discs from Lowes migrate something like 1/4" toward the floor. I exaggerate not.
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I use the United felt and you have to pry them loose with a scraper even after a few years.
 
I still have people come in occasionally with the melted Bumpons. Had one this week, in fact. I gave her half a sheet of clear ones and told her to go around the house and just replace all the brown ones with clear. Also offered to come to her house to clean the wall, but she declined. I gave her detailed instructions for doing it, and told her to please feel free to call if she had any problems. So far I haven't heard any more, so I hope she had good luck. The surface was wallpaper.
:icon45: Rick

This whole situation is so irritating, because we purchased a premium product, and used it for its intended purpose, according to directions, and then it just spontaneously creates thousands of ticking time bombs ready to
blow up our good reputations at any moment... for decades.
:soapbox: Rick
P.S. I've had little black ones on the bottom of devices like cordless phones and answering machines go melty on me over the years too. Wonder if Panasonic or other big companies had any lawsuits against 3M over that.
I know that for framers, they were honoring customer claims when the problem first arose. Wonder what the current policy is.
 
I actually like to see old posts resurrected every now and then. I rarely use the search function, because I have to sift thru all the other stuff.

Welcome Razi
 
"Plastic" bumpers usually get harder and brittle with age. Felt bumpers--especially the green ones,
have been known to stain walls...especially if there has been any moisture involved over the years (item hung in bathroom?).
Occasionally, as well, the adhesive can weaken- especially if the item was hung by a fireplace or other heat source, and the bumper can slide from its original position. I have been framing for over 40 years, and rarely use bumpers
on wooden frames.....(Always on metal, though.) I have never received a complaint about the lack of bumpers..
They do look "more professional" and might reduce pictures from going skew on the wall....However, I recommend that people always use 2 hangers...an appropriate distance apart...which greatly assists in keeping pictures straight.
Wood doesn't usually stain walls.
Old One
 
Old One said:
I have been framing for over 40 years, and rarely use bumpers
on wooden frames.....(Always on metal, though.) I have never received a complaint about the lack of bumpers..
They do look "more professional" and might reduce pictures from going skew on the wall....However, I recommend that people always use 2 hangers...an appropriate distance apart...which greatly assists in keeping pictures straight.
Wood doesn't usually stain walls.
Old One
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It's not just a matter of not scratching walls or helping the frame hang straight. The most important purpose bumpers serve is to provide an airspace of 1/8" or more between the frame and the wall. The buildup of moisture and humidty behind a framed will lead to the growth of mold. I've seen it happen more times than I care to admit.
 
diyframer said:
hahaha, did you actually ask that at a mac forum? You're lucky they didn't send legions of turtlenecked thugs to your house.

(The short answer is because Steve Jobs does not like Adobe)
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I did :)

And the guy that responded I got a little titchy to. Then looked at his profile, and he made me laugh so hard!

This is the part I loved,
Access denied; insufficient privileges to access. Security violation. Trace to inquirer initiated. Agents will be dispatched once location determined.]
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Gotta love a guy with such a wicked sense of humor... :)

He gave the party line, hardware,,, security,,, I just want my grooveshark :)
 
Bob Doyle said:
I did :)

And the guy that responded I got a little titchy to. Then looked at his profile, and he made me laugh so hard!

This is the part I loved, Gotta love a guy with such a wicked sense of humor... :)

He gave the party line, hardware,,, security,,, I just want my grooveshark :)
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Oh man that makes my day. You win the internet!
 
wvframer said:
I was shocked at how common the problem was and felt like I was the last to know. (I'm still shocked that there are any left out there to melt!)
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The problem is that ALL the ones we used to use before the formula was changed are still out there on the backs of pictures that we framed for our customers in good faith. The only ones that aren't still poised to 'do their thing' are the ones that already have.
:fire: Rick
 
The problem is recurring since a hardener is added as they are being molded. The 2 parts mix on the assembly line so if the mixture becomes off the bumpons are not fully hardened.
 
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