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Tommy P

Tommy P

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Just a quick couple of questions. I'm preparing to go pick up an old Pistorious EMN-12. Person says it was "hardwired" by her husband and currently does not have a plug end. I take it that this equipment does not require a 220 outlet. Is that correct? Says it ran fine when last used five years ago. I need to confirm that when I see it.

Also, I know it is about 300 or so pounds but should I be able to get this in the back of a Chrysler mini van? I'm not sure of it's size as I've never seen one in person.

Thanks
 
Needs a 220 and a plug end can be picked up at any hardware store. If it is only 300 pounds it is the heaviest 300 pounds I ever moved (I believe it is in the 500 pound range). Take an appliance dolly and some 4x4 lengths a little wider than the dolly for spacers to protect the motors. Racheting straps will be needed. Depress the foot pedal and then clamp the strap around the lower end trapping the pedal in the down position to keep the motors stationary. Another strap around the high end to keep it in place. I've moved mine as well as others several times and it is a beast. A couple of gorillas as helpers will be needed. Lift with your knees and not your back or you won't be doing any framing for some time to come.
 
The standard EMN is 220/240v single phase, in which case you would need a 220/240v outlet, and the appropriate* plug on the end, or it can be hardwired. Note that if it was hardwired (properly) it will need a new cord if you are going to use a cord and plug. If it was hardwired it would (should) have had either solid core "romex" or stranded individual wires in a conduit.

It's also possible that it's some other voltage - 208v (3 phase) or 440/480v 3 phase. I would verify the voltage and make sure I had the available resources before making a purchase of any power equipment.

*there are several different 220/240v NEMA plugs depending on the amperage rating. Since a 220/240v outlet should always be on a dedicated circuit, the plug configuration defines and limits the current availability. That is, a 30 amp circuit would have a 30 amp outlet, etc. I strongly recommend you consult a licensed electrician.
 
You are looking at 52inches wide 48inches high 26 inches deep
Those are the measurements just sitting on the floor.
500 lbs of mean steel..........
I know me (ex-marine)& one other guy(6'2" strong guy) took one up 22 step out of a basement in Boston 10 years ago. We struggled...but made it.
Suggestions go to Pistorious web site look at what you have.
We ended up taking the blade guards off, the two motors(50lbs @), the foot plate, the covers for the belts.
Do not remove the spindles from the table top. you will have to recalibrate the the blade set up if you do (Not easy) Now you have it down to about 300-250lbs.
Putting it in back of minin Van Haqve some one video this one it will probably make The Funniest Video show.

Open pick up with ramps or a small box van with ramp.
Refrigeration dolly a must.
One or two other strong guys must.
One set of good wrenches a must
Two sets of good allen wrenches must.
 
Holy Carp! Didn't know there would be this much work involved! Sounds like I better start eating my Wheaties!

Great info everyone. I think I will call the company and get some more advice.

Now I'm off to find some "gorillas"!

(I keep telling myself for $250 it's worth it.)
 
if you do not think it is worth it let me know where it is I will save you the trouble..
 
The last time I moved mine it took 5 Mexicans that work for the commercial landscaper in the complex.
 
If you can find a used EMN12 in good condition for $250, pleasepleaseplease tell the seller I will double your offer and I will be there to get it tomorrow.

The market value of that machine ought to be more like $3,000 to $4,000, unless, of course, it needs $2,000 worth of repairs. That is possible, but not likely.

But seriously, folks...
Tommy, this is not a machine you can simply plug into an ordinary outlet. The 4-wire male & female connectors are easily available, but you will need to make sure you have the correct electrical service. The cords from the motors go to a control box with a heavy-duty (in consumer terms, anyway) disconnect switch, which is usually attached to the saw, but it could be on the wall. Ask the seller to provide all information from the nameplate on one of the motors, and a complete description of the control box that comes with the saw. Then, give all of that information to a qualified electrician and ask what is necessary to make it run in your shop.
 
Jim, I know it's a deal. Been sitting in a garage since last used five years ago. Lady says there is no plug just bare wires. Probably was direct wired into a box. So I'm not sure how I am going to "fire it up" as I 'm sure there is no easy 220 in this garage. But I think I'll chance it. Heck, scrap metal price will get me something if it's a total mess. But I have a good electrician so we will work it out.

And, like a good mushroom hunter protecting his find, I'm not disclosing where the machine is! Not that I don't trust my fellow Grumblers! :)
 
Tommy P said:
... I 'm sure there is no easy 220 in this garage. But I think I'll chance it. Heck, scrap metal price will get me something if it's a total mess...
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Well, that's one way to look at it. If you're lucky, the disconnect switch will be bolted to the side of the machine when you get it, and your electrician friend will be able to conjure up 220/1/60 service for a fair price, and the machine will cut perfect miters as-is.

On the other hand, if you break your back loading it, and find out a new disconnect switch costs $300, and it would cost $1,500 to get 220/1/60 from down the block, and you have to spend $1,200 for new bearings and alignment...that scrap dealer would probably charge you to haul it away.
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Hey Tommy, sounds like Jim is experiencing saw envy after suffering sellers remorse from selling his to me nearly 3 years ago.:cry:
 
Yeah, talk about trying to rain on my parade!

He probably just jinxed the whole deal!

:)
 
Jeff Rodier said:
Hey Tommy, sounds like Jim is experiencing saw envy after suffering sellers remorse from selling his to me nearly 3 years ago.:cry:
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Aw, shucks, Jeff. If I'd known how much you were going to enjoy that saw, I would have charged you another thousand. But I did the right thing.

Some day I'll tell you what I bought with the price you paid. I think even you would be pleased with the deals I found.
 
Jim Miller said:
Aw, shucks, Jeff. If I'd known how much you were going to enjoy that saw, I would have charged you another thousand. But I did the right thing.
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Jim, I've already bought 2 Frame Square saws with that grand and have $50 left over.:icon21:
 
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