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Mrs.B

Mrs.B

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A customer wants me to stack two colors of Nielsen's 117 Vivids. I looked around the Archives for awhile (no luck). Got hung up in the Fairy thread for a half an hour (COOL)! Can anyone give me some pointers? It's probably very simple, but I can't figure it out.
 
Kirstie, I didn't have a picture, but no, they're not level on the back.

Treat the outside frame like a float frame face up, tnen set the inner frame inside of it. I have used Nona's method of wiring, but it looks kinda messy back there. I have tried dabs of silicone seal on the inside of the outer frame, set the inner one in. Not totally convinced with silicone only, I've done both silicone dabs and wire.

Then I tried the Power Grab, and it works great. Find it at your local hardware store. Like magic, no wire, no drilling. Setup time is 15 minutes or so, but I like to leave it overnight to "be sure".

Here's the silicone and wire method that works pretty well, without a lot of extra wiring. I just doubled up on the hangers for the hanging wire.
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Thanks for reposting the older thread Kirstie. The way Nona did it is the way I would intuitively do it. Keeps the tops of the 117s level.
 
I hadn't noticed that Nona's way is the "level way". So we have two choices for 2 different effects. I haven't tried the everything-level way. Just got my chopper guy at LJ to figure it out the "stepped" way.

Anyone have a photo of the top of Nona's level way?
 
Cool, Val, do you have a picture of the front?, of what went in the frame?
Another idea for the newsletter--stacking Vivids--I like it. Always thinking a month ahead.

I am home today pounding out the newsletter for August and not pounding my knees at the shop. I promised my 20 year old daughter I would "rest" my knees today so that I could do what's important tomorrow--take her shopping for her birthday, schlep in to SF to go to the Cheescake Factory, etc. One week in Las Vegas in January--hmmmm....either more knee shots or get the surgery fast! Probably the former. Old bionic framers seem common on this forum.
 
I don't think the "level" way will work because you'll end up with a gap of 1/4" on the front. Looks like a perfect hideout for spiders or dust. I accually like the Power Grip suggestion the best, I think it will look cleaner from the back. Val, when you ordered chop from LJ did you order the size you needed for the inner frame and then ask them to cut the outer one to fit. Or did you have to do the math for them?
 
When I stacked Vivids, I used silicone to stick them together. And when I ordered them, I specified the dimensions of the inner frame and ordered the outer frame "to fit." Didn't have any problems at all.
 
I did what Paul said, ordered the inner frame in the art dimension and the outer frame "to fit". The first few came in fine, but all of a sudden the saw guy's light bulb went out (or they changed saw guys) and we had 3 sets of stacked frames to send back, until I finally had to e-mail a photo of what I meant. Then the light bulb went back on, and they came in just fine.
 
Whew, Val, you just scared the whoohah out of me -- I had ordered two of the Nielsen Elements frames for stacking (a 117 inside a 41), and hadn't check to make sure they were cut properly. Luckily, they were!
 
Paul, after all the e-mails and returns re-dos and photos sent and phone conversations, I think poor Robert has the concept now. (I think we have the same warehouse....Benecia...don't we?)

Check the miters though, we had real jaggedy ones for awhile, because the poor guy was paying so much attention to the fit, and wasn't monitoring the miter quality as well.

All's well now.
 
Yes, my stuff comes from Benicia too. I've never been too happy with the miters on the metal frames they cut for me; and when I try to putty them, it makes a righteous mess!
 
I would suggest NEVER using putty with metal frames. There's no "tooth" and very little surface area for it to stick to. That's a disaster waiting to happen. You just KNOW that will be the frame they rest on the cushion of their brand new super-expensive Roche Bobois sofa before hanging, leaving an indelible mark that only gets worse the more they try to remove it. Ouch. :eek:
If you have a miter sander, it works to correct small inconsistencies in metal miters...although it will wear out the sandpaper pretty quickly. You might be able to use a piece of flat, wide moulding to space it away from (but still parallel to) the miter fence so that it is wearing the outer "ring" of the sanding disc which normally gets less use.
:cool: Rick

You might try acrylic paint thickened with a little gel medium as a substitute for putty if you don't have a sander.
 
Paul--Try reversing the back plate.
 
Hadn't heard of doing the stacked Vivids with the wire... have to try that the next time. We used the silicone method and all has worked well... it's still together after months of being carted around to shops, displayed in our hot window, and handled by customers who wanted to see how it looked in the back.

As far as cutting, our Nielsen Bainbridge rep ordered it directly from the company so the chops were perfect :) He took it around to his district, and then left it with us to show off.

What has the response been to the stacked frames in your shops? When in the window, I have heard passers-by comment that it takes away from the art (in this case, an intensely colored pastel landscape).
 
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