*New* HB-220 220watt 1/2" stick Hot Melt Adhesive Gun - $69.99

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Tool: HB-220 from PAM Fastening Technology

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(Bühnen is PAM's parent company in Germany)

Specs:
  • 220watt Electronic Gun for 1/2" Sticks
  • Industrial Grade
  • 248*F-428*F Adjustable Operating Temperature
  • Mechanical Stroke Limitation Controls Amount of Adhesive Applied
  • Trigger is Adjustable to Fit Operaters Hand
  • Carrying Case Included
Price: $85 FOB Charlotte, NC

PAM offers a variety of adhesives too! Check the adhesives thread

PAM Fastening Technology: 704-394-3141 Ask for Blake Steffy

Quite a few Grumblers have already purchased this tool. Those who have, I invite you to share your thoughts on the product
 
I received mine and it appears to be a high quality glue gun. Heats very fast and I love the fact that the stand, actually works.

The only thing is Blake, you've got to sharpen that pencil and really give the Grumble community a price break, like you did me! I don't want to be the one too let it out of the bag, but my Grumbler pals are smart enough to do a search for best price. So you might as well, let it be known. Sorry, but my first loyalty is to the Grumble family. :icon21:

Really do like the gun and my Inmes MP-30 saw. :thumbsup:
 
Well guys, you can thank J Paul for this one ;) Spoke with my higher ups, I can permanently meet the price I gave J Paul... $69.99 (j paul brought to my attention that toolking.com is selling our tool for $69.99, so I agreed to meet the price)

I will have the thread title changed
 
Ummm, Blake....

So,I ordered one yesterday...Do I get the now very well stated $69.99 price? L.
 
Just PM'd you, Laura

Any other Grumblers who previously purchased the tool from us for $85, contact me and I will offer you the same thing I offered Laura :thumbsup:
 
No worries, J Paul!

Truthfully, I want people here on The Grumble to get the best prices possible. You just helped expedite the process :D

Now there's no doubt about it... at $69.99, the HB-220 is a heckuva buy!!
 
PAM Fastening Technology said:
Now there's no doubt about it... at $69.99, the HB-220 is a heckuva buy!!
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I know I have spend more than that, on cheap throw away guns over the years. I can't think of any other tool, that I ever bought where I "cheaped out" like I did on glue guns. I thought, since all they did was melt glue how bad could they be.

Lesson learned. Like all tools, I think you should buy the best you can afford to do the job. I expect this will probably be the last glue gun, I will ever have to buy.
 
Nozzels, anyone?

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Yikes,accessories too!?

Cool, thought I was going to need a thin line tip.....But there was one in the box!!! YES!Frankly,some of those look a bit "creepy"....L.
 
The (2) orders I received from Grumblers this morning will ship out Monday!
 
Joe, just sent you a PM
 
Certainly looks better than the glue gun I'm using - which falls over if I draw breath in the same room and dribbles glue all over the bench.

How much would you charge to ship one to the UK?
 
Mike - Sounds like you'd be thrilled with the HB-220 (as others have been) The tool is very sturdy, and will not dribble! We actually have a distributor setup in Hampshire, England. You can contact Martin Dennis at Wey Adhesives 01256-288090
 
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I just ordered my HB-220 over the Phone. I talked to Blake. He is nice and a friendly person to deal with. Thanks for the good deal Blake.

i can't wait to try and join a frame with it.

Kenny
 
kenny said:
i can't wait to try and join a frame with it.

Kenny
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I just built an octagon frame yesterday. I put pva glue on one leg in an open rectangle pattern and on the opposite leg put a small dab of hot melt and hand held the two legs together for a second. Hot melt held it until the pva did its job, then I v-nailed.
 
Kenny - Thanks for the kind words! I sent you a PM too

j Paul - Sounds like you're getting your moneys worth! This idea of adhering the fillet to the moulding before cutting it sounds very intriguing! Perhaps you could snap a photo or two of how you're using the tool.. I'd like for the rest of our company to see how you Framer's are using our products.

Joe B - Great chatting with you as always.. I'm sending you a PM right after I post this....
 
Hello Blake - got the box of sticks today - your company should consider cutting down the amount that we are required to purchase - there's enough of the sticks in that box for 4 or 5 Grumbler's life times - just a suggestion.

By the way, who ever wrote up my invoice forgot the credit...at least that is the way it appears to me...no biggie but would appreciate you letting me know if I right or not. Joe
 
Joe B said:
Hello Blake - got the box of sticks today - your company should consider cutting down the amount that we are required to purchase - there's enough of the sticks in that box for 4 or 5 Grumbler's life times - just a suggestion.
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Maybe for you....But I use a 20# box in alittle under a year! L.
 
OK not terribly fair to the main membership.....I do mostly 3-d art,hot glue assemble darned near everything! And I do place the painted feathers in the mats with a tiny strip of the stuff(hate how strapping,or sandwiching between clear film looks,and I can get em DEAD flat this way).Also I have some marvellous dragon/lizard scale fabric that makes killer liners,among other things,and is 100% synthetic,which means it hates waterbased adhesives.....so gotta use a bit of hot melt,just a tiny bead.Everything on the artwork album page has a fair amount of the stuff holding it all together.BTW, high quality hot glue is a totally different animal...like the difference between masking tape and good hinge tape! L.:D
 
Hello Luddite, Thank you for the reply - you have given me a few ideas that I haven't even thought about. I am going to do a little bit of the trial & error game to see if I can make it work - I do a bunch of the Native American shadow box framing with feathers, arrows, bows, bead work, etc. that I have had some problems getting some items attached to the backing board or off the board for the 3D look - this hot melt glue may just be the answer for a few of the items. Thanks, Joe B
 
Joe - Sorry for the delayed response, I've been in Atlanta since mid last week for the Decor Expo. I just looked over your invoice, and the $15 credit was indeed applied, it just isn't itemized. The glue itself should of been $77, plus shipping. Instead, the glue was invoiced at $62, but it looks like it still cost $15 to ship it to you. So basically, you got free shipping. In regards to the glue qty, I definitely see your point; however 22# qtys is about the lowest we care to deal in, as we are usually selling adhesives by the pallet. Plus, $77 for 4 or 5 lifetimes of glue is CHEAP! :D;)
 
PAM Fastening Technology said:
In regards to the glue qty, I definitely see your point; however 22# qtys is about the lowest we care to deal in, as we are usually selling adhesives by the pallet.
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Blake, even if you need to have a 22# minimum, you should consider adding a 22# variety pak. Maybe take a survey here, to see what the mixture should consist of!
 
The variety pack is an interesting concept, however it creates an inventory issue for us. The only way I see that panning out would be if 2 folks wanted to place an order at the same time, say one buys a box of UX1402 and the other buys a box of UX1012, I could divide them up before shipping so each box had an equal amount of both products.

Heck, maybe one of you guys with the 22# boxes can sell your excess sticks to other Grumblers who only need/want small qtys
 
PAM Fastening Technology said:
The variety pack is an interesting concept, however it creates an inventory issue for us.
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Not really, just creates a new SKU. Say for example you have 3 different glues in the pack. You mix the 3 and give it a new SKU and you have 3 of that one in stock. Same amount of inventory, just divided differently.

I haven't really looked at the product list close enough to say what glues would be the most valuable for me. I am still using up what I have. What sticks do you think would be the most appropriate for a frame shop? If there is more than 1, then create a special "Framers Pak". I for one, and not likely to buy 22# of each type of glue that I might like to have but will hardly ever use.

Even before you literally do it, you could put together that imaginary "Framers Pak" and then offer it here on the G, if there is enough interest, to sell all of the new SKU at one time. What you think?
 
Hey Blake - thanks for the research on the refund - I didn't know for sure if I got the discount because of the way the invoice was written. I appreciate you looking and explaining it.
As I have said earlier and I have to agree with J Paul - the 22# of glue sticks are excessive for the typical frame shop. Yes it is a great price if for $77.00 the product will last 4 or 5 lifetimes but what good is it to me after my first lifetime...I don't believe I will be reincarnated as a glue gun. I know that I won't be buying a 22# box of the other glue unless I find more ways to use it or find other frames that want to take some off of my hands. So far the only use I have seen or heard of are to attached items to a shadow box, J Paul affixed the fillet to the moulding, I have glued stacked mouldings together, and applying hot glue to fillets for attachment to a mat. I have a few other ideas I am going to try but other than that there are not many ways that I will be using a large quantity. A 22# box of the 3 would be great and I'm sure other framers would willing to purchase it that way too. I think J Paul's idea was great.
 
Your rationale definitely holds water, jpaul... However, to be brutally honest, it still doesn't make much sense for us. Well, let me rephrase that.. it doesn't make much $en$e for us. We're pretty much at the top of the distribution chain; we bring in high volumes and ship out high volumes, so in regards to PAM taking the time to work out the logistics for something small like this, the costs truely out weigh the benefits (the business I conduct here on TG is actually really small peanuts for us). What you're talking about, may be an ideal concept for one of our distributors to adpot. Now with all of that said, let it be knwon that I absolutely am here to serve The Grumble in the best way possible; so I have and will continue to do what I can to faciliate everyones needs.

But again, to have "more adhesive than you'll ever need" for just $77 doesn't sound like a bad deal at all..
 
It sounds feasible that a United or framingsupplies.com might find a market in creating a 3-glue-types package, but only if there were copious amounts of glue applicators in framers hands.

I would be interested in purchasing a three pack or small one pack from a Grumbler who managed such an endeavor. (Make a reasonable profit, target a niche...hmmm... sounds like Biz101.)
 
PAM Fastening Technology said:
so in regards to PAM taking the time to work out the logistics for something small like this, the costs truely out weigh the benefits (the business I conduct here on TG is actually really small peanuts for us). What you're talking about, may be an ideal concept for one of our distributors to adpot..
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I really imagine that is so, Blake and yet :p
From a previous post.
[Of the (8) Pilm mechanical joiners I had in stock, The Grumble community has purchased all but one!

I have (1) Joint Mec 2 machine left... see the original thread for details on it... First $250 get it!

http://thegrumble.com/showthread.php?t=33031]

So suggest it to one of your distributors (and tell us who that is) that they put this "Framers Pak" or "Variety Pak" together, because I know that, I for one will not end up ordering 3 or more different 22# boxes of glue. But I probably would order a Variety Pak. :thumbsup: That's all I've got to say on the matter, except that I like my gun.
 
I will definitely run this concept past some of our distributors and will let you know if I make any traction on it.
 
If J Paul & Deacon want to do some horse trading I would be willing to part with some of my 22# of the Hot Glue sticks - can't remember what glue I have but I will check in the next hour or so. If you want to do some trading just send me a PM - in the mean time I will post the type of glue I have. JB
 
Ahh yes, TEAMWORK!! :D Joe, I sent you UX1402, our kick butt adhesive designed for wood applications
 
Thanks Blake - yup that's what I have. Hopefully J Paul and Deacon, or any other grumbler as far as that goes, have or will be getting the UX 1012 and/or UX 8012. I would like to have 1/3 of each. Who ever wants to trade just PM me.
 
Joe B said:
Thanks Blake - yup that's what I have. Hopefully J Paul and Deacon, or any other grumbler as far as that goes, have or will be getting the UX 1012 and/or UX 8012. I would like to have 1/3 of each. Who ever wants to trade just PM me.
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If someone, wants to step up and order one or the other of the 1012 or the 8012, we can do a trade 1/3ith Joe. Just let me know which one and I'll order the other.
 
J Paul - I have the 1402 and will be ready to ship at the word from you and whoever else wants to trade.
 
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Yes, the acrylic is priced higher than the rest; as it is our "wonder glue" of sorts, plus it's composition is much more sophisticated than the others. You can find all the prices here in the Adhesives threads http://thegrumble.com/showthread.php?p=390408#post390408

Joe - Have you experimented in comparing the 8" U1012LN8 to the 10" UX1012 sample I sent you?? UX1012 should be a little better product. It isn't listed in the thread, but its price is also $3.50 per #
 
J Paul - I believe that we will have to work this out a little before we can do the trading. Maybe I will have to send a few bucks along with my trade portion or...? Let me know what you have in mind. JB
 
J Paul, Joe B - what are your applications for these adhesives? I can appreciate the wood stick for stacking moulding, but what would the acrylic be used for? The general purpose I guess could be used to stick mats together, but what else? Thanks!
 
Deac, I've used the wood glue for gluing fillets to frame rabbet before cutting. That works really well.

I imagine that the acrylic, since it stays flexable, would work for fixing items into shadowboxes when there was no concern for conservation. Don't know how much I would use that adhesive, hence I would not buy 22#'s by myself.

Maybe, if there is interest we could just do a 3 or 4 way split of the general purpose and wood glue sticks?

I know I will have a use for (any brand) general purpose glue coming up, as a packing adhesive. I have a order for 125 pieces that we are also doing the packaging on. My plan is to put cardboard corners on the frames and then a spot of hot melt on each cardboard corner and center that on an oversized cardboard insert the same size as the box. That way the frame will be secure but held 2-3" away from sides of box. Seems that it will be a quick and easy way of doing that.
 
You took the words from my mouth, jpaul. The #1 use for hot melt adhesives is for packaging. Our general purpose should work just fine, but if you need something a little stronger, UX1402 bonds excellent to corrugated cardboard

David - The acrylic would be ideal for bonding plastics, rubbers, and metals, though it should work on darn near anything. Don't let the word "flexible" scare you, it drys firmly; but would allow for minimal flex if needed (ie, bonding leather on a couch or something)
 
$3.50 per lb. X 7.33 lbs (3 way split) of wood glue stick (UX1402) = $25.55 + shipping. Anyone wanting to sell this amount to me, let's talk!

(Adding 1/3 of original shipping cost to this is, of course, acceptable to recover your original shipping cost for this partial quantity.)
 
deaconsbench said:
$3.50 per lb. X 7.33 lbs (3 way split) of wood glue stick (UX1402) = $25.55 + shipping. Anyone wanting to sell this amount to me, let's talk!

(Adding 1/3 of original shipping cost to this is, of course, acceptable to recover your original shipping cost for this partial quantity.)
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I think Joe is the one with the UX1402, right?
So if you want to sell a 1/3 to Deac. and a 1/3 to me, just pm us with payment instructions.
 
J Paul & Deacon,

No problem here. I can package up two 7.33# portions if you all want.

Did either of you get the samples of the 8012 or 1012? Blake sent me samples of both and I am here to tell you that both are excellent.
Both have a longer set up time and I believe that on the wood they affix as well as the 1402. The set up time for the 1402 is 7 seconds with a 15 second open time, but the 1012 is a 25 second set up time and an open time of 30 seconds, and 8012 has a 40 second set up time and a 60 second open time - I found that on a couple of items I did need the longer set up time (stacking mouldings before chopping, being able to reposition an item). I have played with all three because I did get the samples, thanks to Blake. To be absolutely truthful I like the 1012 better than the 1402 but I really like the 8012 because of the extra time for set up. I could not see a difference is the glue strength but I didn't do any hard pulling or yanking on the held together with the 1012 or 8012. Another nice thing a about the 1012 & 8012 it is a clear color and from the side is really hard to see where the 1402 is a cream color and if you are careful shows up. I've more or less just screwed around with the samples but attached a hubcap to some foam board & then attached it to mat board. The hubcap is quite heavy - it is off a GMC - all three glues worked great - the hubcap is going to be a part of a fishing shadowbox and I was wondering how I was going to attach it - the clear acrylic will look great and I believe will do the job. I've also attached some rocks to a fabric covered mat board, medallions to foam core and also to a piece of TruVue acrylic - this stuff is all great.
I would suggest that before we make any final decision you check with Blake for some samples so you can both see the difference in the glues. I know that I would like the other two types of glue but will not purchase 22# by myself. If you don't want to check it out or after you check it out and if you decide that the 1402 is good enough just let me know and I will be happy to send you both 7.33# of the 1402. I just need your address so that I can get a shipping price. I will PM you the total cost and ship the glue out. I'm out of town all next week and but if you want I will ship the glue this week - you can send me up a check after you receive it.

Let me know what you all think. Joe
 
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