Museum OP3

Baer Charlton

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Asside from the bendover and breakit off price of $520 a sheet... and the wierd size of 42x72... the stuff is a dream to work with.
Washes with the regular TruView Premium glass cleaner. Coating is on both sides, so no trying to figure out which side is which.

It's just the price...... So our mark-up was $30 for this sheet.... our plex supplier cut it for free. The frame size is 41-1/2x64.

Tai Ching or whatever frame and fillet from LJ, Countess Plus Oyster from Franks. 2 laminated 4-ply rags with step cuts to accomidate the fillet. Lineco tape and 8-ply Alphacare back.

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Lovely!!
I am assuming the drill is for perspective and not a design feature?

Elsa
 
Nope. It's there just because I was screwing around. :D

yeah, perspective. Yeah, thats the ticket.
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Be careful Baer, that'll get you in trouble.

(Sorry, just had to put my "two bits" in.)

Dave Makielski
 
Baer,
Just gorgeous !! As a newbie, I probably would have a lot of questions for you regarding that piece, but, the one I am most curious about, is what kind of hangers and wire do you use on such a heavy piece? Also, do you inform the customer as to how they should hang it?
Thanks ,Sam
 
WallBuddies didn't hold, so we went with velcro...

Sorry Jim, ignor the above. That was the SA answer to Jerry's SA response.

I used a triple length of #4 wire with 4-screw side rails. These should be alighned in ascewment as to not start cracking the grain of the moulding if they all happen to be screwed into the same grain.

With the OP3 weight being what it is, the wire is at over kill. The whole thing was well under 70lbs.
 
Well, that looks challenging. Haven't worked with that stuff yet. Is it supposed to be scratch resistant and reflection control? It ought to mow the lawn and bring you a beer for that price. Must be something in the water. There haven't been piles of jobs around here but an awful lot of them have been oversized like that. It's starting to feel like a line from a Tom Waits song around here...and no one ever brings anything small into a place like this...
 
Originally posted by Baer Charlton:
Asside from the bendover and breakit off price of $520 a sheet... .... So our mark-up was $30 for this sheet....
If my calculations are correct, that puts your COGS at 94.5%

I would like to hear what Bob Carter or Jay Goltz would say about that kind of markup percentage.

Unless this was for a family member, that is not sound business practice.

I still think WallBuddies would hold it. If not, then Z-bar would be the way. Putting a wire of any kind on something that big is just asking for trouble.
 
Total COGS were 68% Jerry.

Only thing that counts is whether she gets her socks knocked off when she comes to pick it up.....

She did, she was, she will be back.
 
Jim

This is just what I have been looking for.
I'm a bit thick but if I had a frame just like that how do I hang it?

David :confused:
 
Re-weighed the frame job this morning...as I went to hang for the customer.

According to her bathroom scale, it weighed 28 pounds...

Jim, I think the cross stress geometric pattern you show is just slightly overkill...

I think even with glass it would be overkilll.... #4 wire is rated for 100lbs with a 65lb tinsel shear... I just cant think where I would be using that kind of run of 47 feet of wire, that I wouldn't opt for "D" ringed stirups instead.

Unless it was on Neilson 11 or 15 40"x60"..... and then . . . if I actually sold that, I should be just shot.
 
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I still think WallBuddies would hold it. If not, then Z-bar would be the way. Putting a wire of any kind on something that big is just asking for trouble. [/QB][/QUOTE]
i like z bars, they're so easy and i trust a lot of weight with them
 
<font size=5>28 lbs</font>

Get over it people! THAT is LIGHT.

#4 wire is rated for THREE TIMES that weight in tinsle SNAP, 4 times in static stress.....

Our curtesy hangers that we give out in PAIRs, are rated 10#, 20#, 30# and 50# we also carry #75... (for Elephants)

Titan's "Messanger" is hung on, you guessed it WIRE. Not Wallbuddies, not nailed to the wall...Wire. Classic, traditional, good for hundreds of years W I R E.

Sorry, just a little hot <strike>flash</strike> button.

carry on.
 
I don't want to belabor the point Baer, but, I have to ask......

Isn't there more at play here than just the strength of the wire? The wire is only as strong as the hangers. Plus, the biggest issue I see with just wire and hangers is the stress it puts on the side rails. Wallbuddies distribute the stress as does Jim's example. Before Wallbuddies came along I used to put two strap hangers along the bottom as well as the sides as a way I thought of taking the stress off the sides. Although, things I have read here dispute that theory.

If I had framed that picture I definitely would not have used wire. Either Wallbuddies or Z-bar for me........
 
I hate to say it, but Baer is right. LJ Tai Ching is a solid very hard wood - most of the weight of this package. Even with a couple of screws in a strap hanger, you would be hard pressed to pull them out and you would certainly never bend those side rails when hanging with a wire.

Pat :D
 
Call me silly, but it seems if you have to go through all that to reinforce the frame with wire, you need to do two things:

1. Use a sturdier frame that can support the weight without relying on wire. If it just has to be that tiny frame, use strainer bars.

2. Use mirror hangers, Z Bar, Wall Buddies, something without wire.
 
Did someone say UNSEAL?

THIRTY DOLLARS? :eek:
 
JeeZ Lance, I had never seen the directions typed out... but that is exactly how I would hang 50+lbs.

I had an old glass/mirror man show me that trick, his grandson tried to teach me the physics of phorces and other phine math....

I finally asked that little 14 year old geek, "are you saying that your grandpa knows his apples?"

The little twit wasn't about to admit that an old fart knew his stuff..."I think he's alergic to apples."

God I hope that little **** is slaving away in
some cubical somewhere without an A/C...heh, heh, heh.
 
James, you got lucky. Either their math is off or mine is off.
South of your border, we are paying $26/sq ft but you have to buy the whole 41x71 sheet.

and if you meant that you paid $52C for your entire 4.8 ft......that is just over $10/sq US...

Go buy a bunch more... or make sure it's Museum...
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Well I ordered UV and the paper wrapping said OP3 UV museum (or something like that. The wrapping has now gone wherever they take recycled paper to so I can't verify it. I do remember that it said museum though! I guess I should be thankful that it was only $51.00? It does look nice though, I hope the owner doesn't pick it up too soon (Oh yah, I need the money, when are they picking it up)

James
 
James,

OP3 Museum Quality is conventional Acrylite with UV protection. The expensive product discussed in this thread is Optium - UV Acrylite plexi with AR coating (Anti-Reflective not Anti-Abrasive as in OP3 AR). Optium is the one that sells for around $500 wholesale for 41x71 sheet.

Pat :D
 
Because we called while she was there...
Because the sheet was $518 wholesale....
Because she was spending so much for the frame adn such....

Ok, <font size=1>busted $30 for the whole sheet</font>.

The off-fall was 1" across the top and about 5" down the side..... a little to play with...but...
 
If it was 6% on the whole order, or the rest of the orders.... you are entirely correct.

But if you look like the hero you are.... then the orders where your COGs are 12% look pretty nice.
 
Very nice Baer, several months ago I could have used this museum acrylic... for an offset frame we did... As far as I know the only kind of glass you can put in an offset frame is acrylic because you can cut it with a jigsaw... but with it costing that much, I would be extremely nervous to do any kind of sawing
 
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