Question Mounting a "Scratch Off" world map

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A customer brought in a "scratch off" world map, where you can scratch off the areas you've been to, like a lottery game card. Does anyone have any experience drymounting these? Is the stuff you scratch off heat sensitive? It seems that it has some sort of wax base to it. My first thought was speed mount at a low heat, but I'd rather not have to replace it if I wreck it. It's only $23 dollars so the learning curve wouldn't be that expensive, but I'd rather not have to lay out any dough. Any Thoughts?

Thanks,
George
 
Never seen or heard of such a thing. Take one for the entire framing industry team and speedmount it and let us know how it works. :)
 
Size matters. Care to share information about that?

I'd be afraid to use heat in mounting that map, because it might degrade or destroy the scratch-off coating.

Do you have to permanently mount the map? How about a platform mount or edge supports? If you must permanently mount that map, I suggest using Kool Tack's Insta-Mount board, which has a pressure-sensitive adhesive applied to good quality foam board.


Still using Kool Tack and consulting for the company.
 
Practice on a lottery ticket why doncha? I see them rolling around and blowing about on the street all the time - many still have scratch-off patches intact.
 
There are some tickets that will turn black if heat is applied to them.
It has something to do with preventing counterfeiting of tickets.
As far as a map, probably a different story.
As always, use caution.
 
I think thermal tickets and scratch off lotto tickets are two different technologies.

And then there are "scratch and sniff" products, which I thought was what this thread was gonna be about. Can you imagine? Scratch here - your map will smell like the foods/flowers/animals/industries/people of every place you visit. That would actually be a kinda cool idea, kinda sorta maybe.....

Or not.
 
I'm guessing this is a non winning ticket costing $23.00

What about using atg tape to attach it to what you are mounting it to?

Let's avoid having the the non preservation, non conservation conversation for an inexpensive item.
 
Artrageous said:
Let's avoid having the the non preservation, non conservation conversation for an inexpensive item.
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We really know nothing about the customer's intentions, but avoiding deterioration of the map and its scratch-off coating might be very important to the customer, and the price of a replacement map might be secondary. Perhaps the owner plans to use this map for decades, as he/she travels the world and scratches off the destinations.

At the retail level, preservation usually isn't so much about monetary value or replacement cost, as it is about sentimental value and practical longevity. What if the map were framed with no concern for preservation, because it costs no more than a cheap poster? In that case the methods/materials might contribute to its deterioration, and a decade from now a replacement might not even be available. And if it is, the cost of the new map and reframing would surely exceed the cost of properly framing the one now in hand.
 
We drymounted one of these recently. The heat from the press did not hurt it. My suggestion is not to mount it on foamcore. We used gatorboard because we were afraid that whatever they are using to scratch off the countries would punch right through foamcore.

Ed
 
Hi All,
Thanks for all of your suggestions, concerns and great snarky replies. I bit the bullet and took one for the framing industry. I speed mounted it at 160 degrees using my Permalon film slip sheet. It worked fine. I did consider dry mounting it onto gator as Frame Cat suggested, but I figure I will recommend that my customer uses a coin to do the scratching off. It is going into a frame so the edges will be protected.

FYI you can find them at www.luckies.co.uk
My customer ordered hers online from a place in Brooklyn.

Thanks again.
George
 
Cavalier said:
Just wanted to say that we just had a client who brought one of these in, and I was hesitant at first to dry mount it. Then I searched for information and found this post. Thank you! :D
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This is more of an FYI since it appears you already have made you decision.

Interestingly enough, since June 2013 a new low temperature HA board was also introduced for your consideration on this. Gilman MountCor is a 130F - 30 second (mechanical press), permanent, heat activated foam board that is safe for all digital, ALL digitals, thermographic tickets, Tycore, Yupo, and I've even tested it on solid ink (wax) and wax rubbings. No damage to anything. It's great. And bonded properly using TTPM controls it has tear strength...as it should.
Chris Paschke
 
One way I found years ago for sticking tricky items such as this is to use HD doublestick carpet tape. It's a similar thing to using PMA film, but the advantage is that you lay strips of the tape on a board leaving the release paper on the top. Burnish down each strip well.
Peel off on the first strip and align the paper or whatever. Smooth down that edge and then peel off and smooth each strip in turn, keeping it all straight until it's all stuck. This gives you great control.
This tape is incredibly sticky so you don't need a lot of pressure to bond it. And in practice, unless the mounted item is very thin the tape strips don't show though.

I stuck fabric for some chevron panels like this. That was ages ago (80's) and they are still stuck fast. In an unheated shed with the samples still attached. :thumbsup:
 
DesignsInk said:
This is more of an FYI since it appears you already have made you decision.

Interestingly enough, since June 2013 a new low temperature HA board was also introduced for your consideration on this. Gilman MountCor is a 130F - 30 second (mechanical press), permanent, heat activated foam board that is safe for all digital, ALL digitals, thermographic tickets, Tycore, Yupo, and I've even tested it on solid ink (wax) and wax rubbings. No damage to anything. It's great. And bonded properly using TTPM controls it has tear strength...as it should.
Chris Paschke
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We haven't drymounted it yet, but thank you for this information! I'm going to look up the MountCor now. :D
 
Also thought I would chime in. I was able to dry mount a black, glossy map with the scratch off countries with our heat press at 174F with no issues at all.
 

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I just did one and it left yesterday! I "should have" mounted it to a 1.2" mighty core/E2/or gator. I mounted to a MountCor at 130 for 2 min as I thought it had a "kinda plastic" feel. the MountCor bowed....so I added another FC and a center support on the back side as I wanted extra stability for the scratch off possible pressures. Looks great however!
 
Nash said:
A customer brought in a "scratch off" world map, where you can scratch off the areas you've been to, like a lottery game card. Does anyone have any experience drymounting these? Is the stuff you scratch off heat sensitive? It seems that it has some sort of wax base to it. My first thought was speed mount at a low heat, but I'd rather not have to replace it if I wreck it. It's only $23 dollars so the learning curve wouldn't be that expensive, but I'd rather not have to lay out any dough. Any Thoughts?

Thanks,
George
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I have used Perfect Mount for these. I've done a few of them and have had no complaints.
 
Nash said:
Hi All,
Thanks for all of your suggestions, concerns and great snarky replies. I bit the bullet and took one for the framing industry. I speed mounted it at 160 degrees using my Permalon film slip sheet. It worked fine. I did consider dry mounting it onto gator as Frame Cat suggested, but I figure I will recommend that my customer uses a coin to do the scratching off. It is going into a frame so the edges will be protected.

FYI you can find them at www.luckies.co.uk
My customer ordered hers online from a place in Brooklyn.

Thanks again.
George
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Thank you for the post and taking one for the framing industry. I just took an order for 4 of these maps last week and was concerned about the heat during drymounting it. Really glad I saw this post.
 
Nash said:
A customer brought in a "scratch off" world map, where you can scratch off the areas you've been to, like a lottery game card. Does anyone have any experience drymounting these? Is the stuff you scratch off heat sensitive? It seems that it has some sort of wax base to it. My first thought was speed mount at a low heat, but I'd rather not have to replace it if I wreck it. It's only $23 dollars so the learning curve wouldn't be that expensive, but I'd rather not have to lay out any dough. Any Thoughts?

Thanks,
George
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I just did one and they are hardier than they look. I mounted on Kool Tack and it worked beautifully.
 
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