Mission style or Art and Craft

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Proper naming of styles must be important for those who make detailed studies of such things. But since I'm not particularly interested in keeping track of the differences, I avoid getting into those conversations with customers. After all, my preferences of style are not important outside of my own personal realm. Customers' preferences take precedence every time, regardless of how the styles are named.

On the rare occasion when one wants to demonstrate their superior knowledge of styles or just spar with me, my usual response goes something like this:

"I'm sure you're right. What styles do you see on this wall of frame samples that you would like to use for this project?"

In other words, let's cut to the chase.
 
I thought Mission style to be more plain and simple with strong lines. Arts and Crafts tended to gather anything (mission too) hand crafted with some Art Deco lines thrown....my bar stool analysis.
 
I'm sitting on the bar stool next to Randy on this.
:beer:

Mission Style, Art Noveau and Prairie Style are a few of the subsets of American Arts & Crafts. The American Arts and Crafts Movement arguably started with Elbert Hubbard's Wycroft Studio in the late 1800's.
 
If there are differences, I would like to see some examples of each. Where is Baer? Maybe he can shed some light (and pictures) for us.
 
Jim Miller said:
Proper naming of styles must be important for those who make detailed studies of such things. But since I'm not particularly interested in keeping track of the differences, I avoid getting into those conversations with customers. After all, my preferences of style are not important outside of my own personal realm. Customers' preferences take precedence every time, regardless of how the styles are named.

On the rare occasion when one wants to demonstrate their superior knowledge of styles or just spar with me, my usual response goes something like this:

"I'm sure you're right. What styles do you see on this wall of frame samples that you would like to use for this project?"

In other words, let's cut to the chase.
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But gosh Jim, you deprive your customer of the joy of listening to you explain all the minute differences and share your wealth of framing esoterica! Why in the world would you short change them like that?






 
Actually the more knowledge base you have about particular styles of frames the better you can serve your customers. It is extremely helpful when working with high end interior designers to have some background in styles and to follow the trends that designers are recommending to their clients.

We've been working quite successfully with designers and they appreciate at least a cursory knowledge of home furnishings styles. Picture frames are home furnishings.
 
Ok, FramerDave... you are forgiven. :icon21:
 
FramerDave said:
But gosh Jim, you deprive your customer of the joy of listening to you explain all the minute differences and share your wealth of framing esoterica! Why in the world would you short change them like that?
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Deprivation is not involved. I entertain them in other ways.
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Any discussion on this would be moot.

The only Art & Crafts movement frame that comes in a Mission style,
that a framer can buy in chop or length, is a Hicks style frame
from Picture Woods.
 
Dave said:
The American Arts and Crafts Movement arguably started with Elbert Hubbard's Wycroft Studio in the late 1800's.
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That would be Roycroft, in East Aurora, New York, quite near to Buffalo. ;)
 
Well, knock me over with a feather.
 
Framar said:
That would be Roycroft, in East Aurora, New York, quite near to Buffalo. ;)
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Oops, of course you are correct, Mar.

Sometimes I know enough to be dangerous. :(
 
Actually Baer, this thread's sponsor, Nickell Moulding, has a nice line of quarter sawn oak mouldings in various finishes that are nice as an arts and crafts moulding.

They don't have the applied corner blocks but work well in a mission style environment.
 
Baer Charlton said:
Any discussion on this would be moot.

The only Art & Crafts movement frame that comes in a Mission style,
that a framer can buy in chop or length, is a Hicks style frame
from Picture Woods.
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The Hicks style frame may have been popular amongst the Art & Crafts/Mission style movers and shakers (I've no idea), but it was invented long before the movement, and is called after Edward Hicks, who died in 1849.
 
05 said:
The Hicks style frame may have been popular amongst the Art & Crafts/Mission style movers and shakers (I've no idea), but it was invented long before the movement, and is called after Edward Hicks, who died in 1849.
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My point 05.. the closest to ANY frame that can be had is a Hicks
(which was popular enough to be produced by Gustov, LJ&G,
and Roycroft...)
and Dave, close is not even a cigarello.... no tablet, no golet.

The "Mission" statement (and Hence the term "Mission style"
started by Gustov in his magazine - - which may look good in
a California Mission..... but has nothing to do with it), put forth
by William Morris, of the Arts & Craft movement, was to
showcase and celebrate the art of the Artisan and Craftsman,
in such a way as to show the forming, joining and securing in
such a way as to present it as a focal part of the work. Such as
the through tenons on this "Mission Style" frame.

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Hi Baer and all,

This thread is interesting, because my husband recently made a beautiful, quarter-sawn oak, arts and craft frame for a mirror. Wish I had a picture to show. He's quite a wood worker. I get paid to make frames, he does wood working for fun, a true amateur.
 
Our local supplier Burnich Frames and Moulding has started a line of Arts and Craft frames. They are very nice, made of American wood and of course made by Montanans. Price is good too. They are going to do a complimentary one for us as soon as I pick a photograph I want to use.
 
Baer Charlton said:
Any discussion on this would be moot.

The only Art & Crafts movement frame that comes in a Mission style,
that a framer can buy in chop or length, is a Hicks style frame
from Picture Woods.
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The price of tea in China is € 76910.4, at least, according to this website.
 
David, I never mentioned the price of tea in China. Nor did I care about any
frame that might be produced in China and marketed as an Arts & Craft,
or Mission style.

IF you make the flat quartersawn boards and the corner tablets, speak up.

Just don't do so in depth or FramerDave will call you out for lecturing.

In fact, now that I think about it..... I would like to see if there is anything
in your line that we might want to carry at Americana. We have about
2' of wall that is begging for more Made in USA.
 
Sorry Baer - my point was that the OP wasn't asking about where to buy length or chopped Mission Style frames. You may well be right that no one else offers such a thing, but the question was what's the difference between Mission and A&C. And, there are plenty of places that sell such frames, not chop/length probably for the very reason that you can't really do a true Mission Style frame as chop or length - the "Hick's Style" to be true-to-form should have a full thickness corner block and be tenoned or doweled to the rails. I know I don't need to tell you that, but others who read this may find it helpful.
 
David, I know... but I was trying to avoid being that "Boring old know it all that
lectures until FramerDave lights his hair on fire and runs naked through the
building screaming "I told you so, I told you so..."

But just to prove him right, (and I hope I don't have to watch the other),
here goes.

William Morris, in England, in the early 1880s was one of the bespoked for
a "Movement" that was called "The Arts & Craft Movement".

This is a Movement..... not a style, era or period.

Morris (an aristocrat) believed that the art should show the skill, and
talent of the artisan or craftsman. Things like the joining of two pieces
of wood, should show how they were joined and that they should even
be celebrated.... hence the trough-tenon joints with raised and champhered
square pegs.

Gustov Stickley came, and was so enamored that he went back home to
America and started designing and making furniture. To sell it, he started
his own magazine that became the bible of the Arts & Crafts movement in
the US.

Stickley's designs followed the pure notion of the Morris' Arts & Crafts
mission statement of the straight forward design where form follows function,
and celebrates the joins and the art of the craftsman. It was from this that
Stickley took the term Mission - - in that his designs followed the mission.
There was nothing in his terms that had anything to do with early Californian
religious edifices.

Arts & Crafts = is a movement

Mission = is a style

Beau Arts, Art Nouveau, Mission and Deco are all styles from the Arts & Crafts movement.
 
Thanks.
 
Baer Charlton said:
David, I know... but I was trying to avoid being that "Boring old know it all that
lectures until FramerDave lights his hair on fire and runs naked through the
building screaming "I told you so, I told you so..."

But just to prove him right, (and I hope I don't have to watch the other),
here goes.

William Morris, in England, in the early 1880s was one of the bespoked for
a "Movement" that was called "The Arts & Craft Movement".

This is a Movement..... not a style, era or period.

Morris (an aristocrat) believed that the art should show the skill, and
talent of the artisan or craftsman. Things like the joining of two pieces
of wood, should show how they were joined and that they should even
be celebrated.... hence the trough-tenon joints with raised and champhered
square pegs.

Gustov Stickley came, and was so enamored that he went back home to
America and started designing and making furniture. To sell it, he started
his own magazine that became the bible of the Arts & Crafts movement in
the US.

Stickley's designs followed the pure notion of the Morris' Arts & Crafts
mission statement of the straight forward design where form follows function,
and celebrates the joins and the art of the craftsman. It was from this that
Stickley took the term Mission - - in that his designs followed the mission.
There was nothing in his terms that had anything to do with early Californian
religious edifices.

Arts & Crafts = is a movement

Mission = is a style

Beau Arts, Art Nouveau, Mission and Deco are all styles from the Arts & Crafts movement.
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Ah... Baer.... I think you just wrote one chapter of you new book:thumbsup:
 
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