Metal frame, wood fillet?

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Shayla

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Have any of you ever used a wooden fillet with
a metal frame? If so, how did you do it?
 
Thank you for your comment. With our wood fillets, we join them in a vice with framers' glue. I can imagine putting the joined fillet into the three sided metal frame, attaching the fourth leg and then adhering the fillet to the frame from behind, but getting the fillet to be snug against that fourth leg would take a lot of fiddling. I hadn't thought about your expansion and contraction point. I wonder if it would be better to just pin the fillet in tightly with glass and not try to attach it to the metal?

If this idea of using the two together is a total no-go, I'm fine with hearing that. But if there's a way for it to work, someone here has surely already done it.
 
Shayla, I was actually thinking about gluing each leg of the fillet to each leg of the metal and then assembling as normal. If the fillet holds tight to the metal then the joint should also be tight. Why don't you take a couple of old metal corners if you have them and give it a try?
 
I like that idea Jpaul,

Also I would consider after joining the fillet, adhering it to the glass and treat it like part of the package. just gingerly slide the whole package intot the 3 legs of the metal and then attach the fourth.

Or abandon this madness all together, metal frames are evil things!

Bob
 
Why not use fillet tape and have it be a "part" of each leg? It is super strong and is an acrylic based adhesive (not ATG). Just join as normal. Should be no reason to have to glue them together if they are properly sized, though you could squeeze a drop of glue on each corner- but if the glass breaks or there is some "chud" inside, how will you defit to correct?
 
Which metal profile are you using? I used the 33 and ad to cut the fillet so that ity lined up right. Had to use black fome to space it to fit under the glass too. Isn't much rabbet on the 33's ;)
 
That 'how to defit' question is a really good one. You're right.

I still haven't told him if we'll do it or not, but he put a fillet with a metal while I was over looking at frames and is enchanted with the idea. Plus museum glass.
Plus he's a precision-loving mechanical engineer. Maybe I should just go throw myself in front of the UPS truck right now. :faintthud: Will listen to all of your suggestions for a day and then give him a call with my verdict.
 
It's number 119-GO4, one of the gilded series. The one with just a simple rounded top.
 
I've never done a wood fillet in a metal frame but, would it be necessary to adhere it to the metal? If it's between the glass and the frame and it's cut to the correct size, joined at the corners with tape and glue, wouldn't the pressure of the glass and the rest of the package hold it in place? Just a thought:shrug:.

Place it on top of the glass, the glass on the rest of the package and slide it all together into the three joined frame members. The lip of the fillet should hold it against the inside edge of the frame.
 
I think that's what we'll try. My ace frame maker here says she's way up for the challenge, and that it shouldn't be a problem. She was gone until I could ask her this morning. If he doesn't choke on the price, we'll go ahead and try it just pinned between the glass and frame by pressure. We'd still glue the fillet in the vice like usual. Will let you all know how it turns out.

Anyone else with comments, I'd like to hear them as well.
 
I agree with Denny's suggestion, as do you apparently. The key to this working is the precision of the sizing and mitering. Having an engineer for the customer, you can double underline that. Still, don't go the UPS truck route just yet. We would all really miss you.
:cool: Rick
 
Put it on top of the glass. it'll look better than under. The LJ Enhancers would look really cool inside one of those frames as well. treat the enhancer as a frame (like our customer want 9 times out of 10!) and get an exact "sight line" cut. Isn't that what LJ asks for when order fillets chopped?
 
Yes, with LJ you order the inner frame as usual, then request the outer frame cut "to fit" the inner one. Shayla, if your fillet is LJ and you are ordering chop, that's exactly what I would do. Make sure you tell them the "sight opening" size for the fillet....and don't cut the glass and boards to size until you measure the metal frame.
:cool: Rick
 
Rick Granick said:
Yes, with LJ you order the inner frame as usual, then request the outer frame cut "to fit" the inner one.
:cool: Rick
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I complain about LJ in other threads, but this is one reason I keep an active account with them! Any good supplier can do this for you, but LJ does it all the time, and they do it consistently well!
 
Rick Granick said:
Yes, with LJ you order the inner frame as usual, then request the outer frame cut "to fit" the inner one. Shayla, if your fillet is LJ and you are ordering chop, that's exactly what I would do. Make sure you tell them the "sight opening" size for the fillet....and don't cut the glass and boards to size until you measure the metal frame.
:cool: Rick
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Make sure you specify exactly what you want. LJ normaly chops fillets with one inch extra.
 
Thanks, guys. It's going to be either an LJ or Nurre frame and a Montana fillet that we stock. It'll go on top of the glass, between the glass and frame. She's pretty stoked about the idea of doing it, like a surfer who sees a good big wave. :)
 
I did one of those once. It was a flat black 1 1/2" that had a sheen to it and I didnt have a wooden one on the wall that they liked as well as the metal. Like Paul suggests, I did practice on scraps. I used silicone. It's been so long since I did it, I would have to practice all over again.
 
Stay away from the spring clips however, you don't want to put to much pressure on the package. Your framer is excited about it so she'll be successful.
 
Hey Shayla!

The only thing that I'd be scared about is having the fillet rock inside and not being able to use spring clips or having them crush the fillet. I don't think you'd be able to get a snug-enough fit by making it part of the package before sliding it in. It does sound like those one-time things and wouldn't tolerate disassembly.

Let me know what you come up with!
 
We have done lots of that combo. check fillets against the metal rails, then glue all four. Build metal frame as usual, pop in the glass and art package with the fillet on top of glass.
square away the fillet in the frame and turn all face down and install forth rail. Put in clips in each middle of the four rails..... stand up and adjust fillet if needed. Finish clipping and wire as usual.
Never had a problem.
 
LOL.....thanks for the smile, Bob. I'm glad you're on the G.

We'll see if he's still standing after the price quote. Baer, I think your description is what we've come down to.
 
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