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Uncle Eli

Uncle Eli

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I don't have a metal saw, and both nielsen and larson refuse to cut these chops for me due to OSHA regulations. The first chop is N41-E451 size= 4 1/2" x 6 7/8" The second chop is N41-E542 size = 5 1/4" x 7 7/8" Both with standard 1/8" allowance. Is there anyone out there with a metal saw that can cut some of this down for me and send it my way? I can order slightly larger chops, and have them sent to you or you can order them and ship them to me and I can pay you for both the moulding and the time to chop it. what ever works for you. thanks in advance for any help.

Erik
 
Uncle Eli said:
I don't have a metal saw, and both nielsen and larson refuse to cut these chops for me due to OSHA regulations.
Erik
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Hmmm... I'm interested to know *why* they can't do this... what OSHA regulation would be violated? If these big outfits can't cut the moulding in an OSHA-compliant manner, how do they expect an individual shop to do so. Furthermore, if this moulding is so fraught with danger that it raises an OSHA issue, why don't they have a product bulletin explaining the issues involved?

Curious...
 
I just recently ordered 4- 4x4 metal chops from my supplier, and they cut with no problem, but charged me the minimum 4' charge. Maybe they just said pfttttt to Osha.
 
jim_p said:
Hmmm... I'm interested to know *why* they can't do this... what OSHA regulation would be violated? If these big outfits can't cut the moulding in an OSHA-compliant manner, how do they expect an individual shop to do so. Furthermore, if this moulding is so fraught with danger that it raises an OSHA issue, why don't they have a product bulletin explaining the issues involved?

Curious...
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It has nothing to due with the moulding and more to due with the length of the moulding in relation to the blade.

My big beef with them is that they say they can't cut anything less than 6" (larson) and 5" (nielsen) but this particular moulding is 1 1/2" wide, and moves the end of the mitre past the safety guards that osha requires them to use.
 
I don’t know about Nielsen, but I heard from a Larson-Juhl rep that their refusing to chop smaller than 5” has as much to do with their miter saw set up as OSHA standards.
 
Bill Henry- said:
I don’t know about Nielsen, but I heard from a Larson-Juhl rep that their refusing to chop smaller than 5” has as much to do with their miter saw set up as OSHA standards.
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yeah, that's what the warehouse manager ultimately told me, but his statement was that the guards on the mitre saw are there as a safety precaution and not following the saws safety settings would violate the osha standards for the facility.
 
Well, no customer's artwork is worth the loss of a finger. I guess that's when you change the design to a wider mat.
 
LeWinter`s minnimum is 3 inches last time I looked....rememberable because the catalog said: "minnimum chop 3",we have to keep our nails pretty."May be worth an inquiry.:thumbsup:.....L.
 
Whatever you do, be sure to heed this advice. We like you with all of your fingers. While it's true we would still like you with fewer of them, the full set is preferable.
 
The reason for not cutting the size is based on the safety guard on the saws. You have to reach inside the guard to cut the frames that small. I am sure they have a policy of "Anyone reaches inside the guard for an reason is fired, no exceptions."

Production facilities have to set these very stringent standards and live by them to keep from being sued out of business.
 
Clamp It!

I cut metal frames for years with a makita miter saw & measuring fence, tallow lubrication & no clamps. In hindsight, it was foolish & I probably should have told my boss "no". I had the blade "catch" a couple of times shooting the twisted aluminum & my hand toward the back of the saw. That experience made me think twice about holding a 3" piece of metal moulding next to a 5000 rpm blade. It's super dangerous without a clamping mechanism, but still dangerous with one. BE CAREFUL!
 
Using a 100 tooth carbide tipped non-ferrous blade with a negative hook angle eliminates the grabbing and shrapnel effect...make sure the saw has a brake and that it works...
 
They need to get a saw stop for a chop saw! I saw this video here years ago and can't get it out of my head! Especially when I find myself using the chopper while distracted! Maybe one could be designed for my morso?
 
Erik, go to any local machine shop and they will sell you some metal lubricant. It gets mixed with water so you only need a very small amount. Mix it in a spray bottle. Talo is nasty. Animal fat.
 
thanks, and it just so happens I just found my local machine shop. It's right next door to my metal fabricator that I just found also. I'm finally starting to feel at home in my new neighborhood.
 
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