There are about 60 of them, still containing their cigarettes and gingerly holding onto their cellophane wrappers. Most are pretty dang old. I'm thinking a couple possibilities are to use acetate strips to bind them down or to cut a multi-hole fabric mat snuggly to each one and let them sit in their own pockets.
Looking for mounting suggestions... cigarette packs
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framinzfun
MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I would go for the mylar strips to hold each pack. I would think that trying to fit each pack snugly into a mat opening may be a logistical nightmare, and would also damage the celophane wrappers...just my opinion. I'd love to see what this looks like when you're done... sounds like quite a challenge.
I have done one but only 16 packs with 10 matchbooks!~It was 8 diferent brands showed front and back!~ Turned out nice!~ Wish I had pic.
I used the mylar. I cut slot in backing and attached it that way. Slid the mylar onder the match book cover then closedthe covers. Then cut openings 3/8" larger than the packs and used 3/8" of foam core to raise the mat off the backing gave it a little more dimension you could still read the sides.
I used the mylar. I cut slot in backing and attached it that way. Slid the mylar onder the match book cover then closedthe covers. Then cut openings 3/8" larger than the packs and used 3/8" of foam core to raise the mat off the backing gave it a little more dimension you could still read the sides.
Thanks! Mylar seems to be the way to go. I'll definitely post pics when we're done. The customer brought these in because she saw those neckties we framed for someone else. It's nice to have these out in the gallery before they are picked up, the business kind of builds on itself. Having our displays is one thing, but customers seeing that other customers are framing things like this has more of an effect.
The box she brought in says "Dad's cigarettes. The only thing he ever collected." Just a little bit of pressure.
The box she brought in says "Dad's cigarettes. The only thing he ever collected." Just a little bit of pressure.
Please do not use acetate, as it will discolor and become brittle over time. Light exposure accelerates the deterioration of acetate.
Instead, use polyester clear film, aka Melinex 516. It is much better for framing purposes.
I suggest wrapping each pack in clear film. To do the job most conveniently, make a template to cut a single piece for each pack, in the shape of a "+", so the entire face of the pack would be covered by clear film. The side "flaps" would be attached to one another on the back to prevent lateral movement, and the top & bottom flaps would pass thru horizontal slots in the mount board. You can cut those slots quickly and accurately, in a maesured pattern, on your manual matcutter. Use 3M #889 double sided tape to attach the flaps to the back of your mount baord.
This method is less work than some other decent mounting methods, and you can speed up the process by batching the work of cutting the clear film pieces, cutting the slots, and taping the mounts. Also, it would be easy to align the packs in neat rows, completely non-invasive, supportive, and easily reversible.
Sink mounts would require more matcutting and careful spacer assembly, would not support the packs as well as an overall wrap, and might injure their aging cellophane wrappers. I hope you're not tempted to place glass against the packs to hold them in.
And as my barber says: Use no glue on this job.
Jim, thank you for the information. The melinex worked great.
After not hearing from the customer for 6 weeks or so they popped in last week and okayed the job and price but then said they needed them for this weekend. That's the life of a framer! Of course, I'm leaving on vacation tomorrow morning. I didn't end up doing any of the work myself anyway. As it turns out, my coworkers did a terrific job knocking it out quickly and thanks to them I can leave knowing it's all complete and ready for the customer. The melinex was really easy to use. They actually looked a lot better after being wrapped, like they had new cellophane. Because of the compressed timeframe the pieces got more of a simple, classical framing job without getting too creative.
Also, thank you to United for expediting the melinex order. Had to get air shipping but it they got it out the same day. Thank you!
Sorry for the glare. I was rushing out and didn't take much time. See ya'll next week.
After not hearing from the customer for 6 weeks or so they popped in last week and okayed the job and price but then said they needed them for this weekend. That's the life of a framer! Of course, I'm leaving on vacation tomorrow morning. I didn't end up doing any of the work myself anyway. As it turns out, my coworkers did a terrific job knocking it out quickly and thanks to them I can leave knowing it's all complete and ready for the customer. The melinex was really easy to use. They actually looked a lot better after being wrapped, like they had new cellophane. Because of the compressed timeframe the pieces got more of a simple, classical framing job without getting too creative.
Also, thank you to United for expediting the melinex order. Had to get air shipping but it they got it out the same day. Thank you!
Sorry for the glare. I was rushing out and didn't take much time. See ya'll next week.
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Wow... I had to see it to believe it. Very clean presentation. LJ frame?
Nice job first of all. Now for my question. I have seen old packs of cigarettes become infested with some sort of weevil. the individual cigarettes actually look almost like they are being attacked by powder post weevils. is there any danger of this sort of infestation and how do you prevent that/ I have also seen the same sort of problem when framing dried floral arrangements. The flowers in that case had small holes and some sort of vermin in them.
BUDDY
BUDDY
Nice work, Johnny. I agree that when framing 3-dimensional objects, a simple presentation often works best. This project shows off the cigarette packs in all their glory.
I appreciate your comments about how easy the Melinex 516 worked, even for your associates who were inexperienced with it. Framers often speculate in class that this material is too expensive or too difficult to work with -- both incorrect assumptions.
Where in Ohio are you located? If you are in a witness protection program, we'll understand...But if you ever get to the Columbus area, stop in and I'll share some other clear film mounting ideas. Most of the "Clear Film Mounting with Melinex/Mylar" class samples are here most of the time. Now that you have your roll of Melinex, put it to good use.
Buddy, if the cigarette packs are already infested, the closed up frame package would provide them a safe haven and plenty of food. I think before long, their presence would be evident. If the frame is not already infested, then it seems the critters would have a more difficult time finding those cigarettes in the closed-up frame than in a box under the bed or in a closet. And then they'd have to chew through the Coroplast (hopefully used, Johnny?) backer and foil-tape rabbet liner.
I appreciate your comments about how easy the Melinex 516 worked, even for your associates who were inexperienced with it. Framers often speculate in class that this material is too expensive or too difficult to work with -- both incorrect assumptions.
Where in Ohio are you located? If you are in a witness protection program, we'll understand...But if you ever get to the Columbus area, stop in and I'll share some other clear film mounting ideas. Most of the "Clear Film Mounting with Melinex/Mylar" class samples are here most of the time. Now that you have your roll of Melinex, put it to good use.
Buddy, if the cigarette packs are already infested, the closed up frame package would provide them a safe haven and plenty of food. I think before long, their presence would be evident. If the frame is not already infested, then it seems the critters would have a more difficult time finding those cigarettes in the closed-up frame than in a box under the bed or in a closet. And then they'd have to chew through the Coroplast (hopefully used, Johnny?) backer and foil-tape rabbet liner.
Val
PFG, Picture Framing God
Jim, will you be offering a class at WCAF? That's the main reason I'm going, is for classes like yours. If so, sign me up, please. And if you are, will the Milinex be covered? (Ha!...pun intended)
Classes, classes, everywhere classes...
If you're going for education, you're going to the right place, that's for sure. With more seminars, lectures, and workshops than any other venue in our industry, WCAF is the trade show for framing education.
The schedule is not fixed yet, but it looks like I will be teaching six classes, one of which may be brand new. "Clear Film Mounting" will probably not be among them though. That class is more popular for distributor events and PPFA chapter meetings.
Clear film object mounting is thoroughly covered in the "workshop" (second session) of the 2-part course, "Complete Guide to Shadowboxes and Framing Objects". Book/magazine/newspaper mounts, strap mounts, coin/medal mounts, and others will be covered. In the workshop, everyone is invited to make a clear film book mount, a tulle-mounted golf ball, and some formed-rod mounts. The only clear film mounting techniques missing from the workshop are those not used for 3-D objects -- encapsulation, for example.
It's not too early for this reminder:
REGISTER EARLY.
Every year there are some disappointed framers, who mistakenly think they can sign up for whatever classes they want when they get there. Class sizes are limited, so everyone gets the best value, but the popular ones sell out quickly.
If you're going for education, you're going to the right place, that's for sure. With more seminars, lectures, and workshops than any other venue in our industry, WCAF is the trade show for framing education.
The schedule is not fixed yet, but it looks like I will be teaching six classes, one of which may be brand new. "Clear Film Mounting" will probably not be among them though. That class is more popular for distributor events and PPFA chapter meetings.
Clear film object mounting is thoroughly covered in the "workshop" (second session) of the 2-part course, "Complete Guide to Shadowboxes and Framing Objects". Book/magazine/newspaper mounts, strap mounts, coin/medal mounts, and others will be covered. In the workshop, everyone is invited to make a clear film book mount, a tulle-mounted golf ball, and some formed-rod mounts. The only clear film mounting techniques missing from the workshop are those not used for 3-D objects -- encapsulation, for example.
It's not too early for this reminder:
REGISTER EARLY.
Every year there are some disappointed framers, who mistakenly think they can sign up for whatever classes they want when they get there. Class sizes are limited, so everyone gets the best value, but the popular ones sell out quickly.
Val
PFG, Picture Framing God
Pssst...Jim...can I sign up through you now? Or..can you give us a heads-up when the registration begins? Yours is THE main one I want to take. I don't want to miss it!!
Jim I agree that it may be more difficult for a Cigarette Beetle to infest a pack inside a properly framed work .However it is not impossible ,just as it is not impossible for other borrowing vermin to enter a frame through the dust cover. In fact Cigarette beetles infest a lot more than just CIGARETTES , they are fairly common in households.
It may be interesting to visit the following links on the topic and any others that are related.
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1998/1279.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/cig-beetles.htm
I wasn't disputing any techniques or information just trying to sight a possibility that I have seen both in and away from framing.
BUDDY
It may be interesting to visit the following links on the topic and any others that are related.
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1998/1279.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/cig-beetles.htm
I wasn't disputing any techniques or information just trying to sight a possibility that I have seen both in and away from framing.
BUDDY
Thanks for the links, Buddy. Your point is well taken, that vermin are persistent.
Perhaps one of Hugh phibbs' Marvelseal sealed frames would be best, as it might contain the "scent" of the food the vermin are after, but I would not suggest that typical framing is vermin proof.
If such a discussion came up with a customer, I would point out that a properly closed frame package would be a better place than a box under the bed or in a closet, and leave it at that.
You made my day, Val.
Awww, gee Val. Thanks. That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while (family excepted).
If you sign up within the first week or two after the registration opens, you should have no trouble registering for any of the classes. The trouble comes when framers wait until just a few weeks before the show.
I wish I could help you now, but I don't have anything to do with registration. In fact, I won't know who's in the class until we meet there. I'll look for you, the only 30-something beauty with white hair, right?
Awww, gee Val. Thanks. That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while (family excepted).
If you sign up within the first week or two after the registration opens, you should have no trouble registering for any of the classes. The trouble comes when framers wait until just a few weeks before the show.
I wish I could help you now, but I don't have anything to do with registration. In fact, I won't know who's in the class until we meet there. I'll look for you, the only 30-something beauty with white hair, right?
Val
PFG, Picture Framing God
Awww, garsh, Jim. Yup...30-something.... (thirty-twenty-two!!) and that's "white gold" hair, BTW! Look for that Titanium Glow!
When I registered for WCAF, it said they would post registration/class schedule sometime in November, and I think it said we would be notified by e-mail too, but I'm not sure, I couldn't find that part when I looked a couple of days ago (In fact, I think I registered twice!)
Ooooh, I'm sooo excited!!!
When I registered for WCAF, it said they would post registration/class schedule sometime in November, and I think it said we would be notified by e-mail too, but I'm not sure, I couldn't find that part when I looked a couple of days ago (In fact, I think I registered twice!)
Ooooh, I'm sooo excited!!!