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Quality Matters At 888 Manufacturing

LJ Academie

Rick Granick

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I like the LJ Academie line. It is classic for diplomas and other documents. I noticed today that the finish on the gold one may have changed and become quite fragile. As you can see, the layer of toning over the bright gold flakes off easily. Has anyone else noticed this? I long ago stopped using their Taffy line (now disc. anyway) because of its ridiculously fragile finish. I would hate to have to do the same with the Academie.

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neilframer

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I like the LJ Academie line. It is classic for diplomas and other documents. I noticed today that the finish on the gold one may have changed and become quite fragile. As you can see, the layer of toning over the bright gold flakes off easily. Has anyone else noticed this? I long ago stopped using their Taffy line (now disc. anyway) because of its ridiculously fragile finish. I would hate to have to do the same with the Academie.

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:cool: Rick
We have the same issue with another LJ line that is similar.
We frame for a large design company and they spec a similar moulding except in the silver/pewter finish.
We make hundreds of these frames for them for mirrors and canvases and sometimes the top finish/patina/shellac (whatever they use) peels off in the corners and is very "touchy" and susceptible to any contact.
When we v-nail, we have to use mat board pieces behind the frame legs in the v-nailer and you can't let any glue seep out in the corner because it can pull off the top finish.
It's very difficult to touch up so we try to use methods to prevent these issues but it's not easy.

The design company specs the moulding so we have to convince them to toss the samples...:icon11:
They are not framers, just the designers so sometimes they don't get the actual construction issues.
They have the samples and work with their clients and then we do the framing.
They have given us well over $1,000,000 in framing in the last 3 years so it's hard to come down too strong with them...:popc:
In our own shop, we just toss the samples and problem solved...:thumbsup:
But... the design company still shows the samples.:faintthud:
 
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MATTHEW HALE

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the academie finishes have definitely changed. we've been using it extensively for years and noticed a change not long ago. there seems to be a general trend industry-wide toward a cheapening of finishes in general. FWIW, International also has a line that is an excellent substitute for Academie.
 

Rick Granick

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I emailed my LJ rep with this issue and photo, and she said she would pass it along to the QC dept. It will be interesting to hear their response.
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Ylva

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I don’t sell a lot of Academie.
However, I have quite a few LJ lines where the finish isn’t what it once was. Lots of flaking, bubbles in the finish, very inconsistent.I charge a premium price, my customers expect an excellent product.
I’ve had some inconsistencies with the Hudson line, of which I sell a lot
 
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MATTHEW HALE

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I do too! So far it is not every stick and not their full line. Mostly the smaller ones.
we sell a lot of LJ product, and have noticed quite a few changes (mostly for the worse ) in their finishes. We just had to order new samples of the L7 silver/black profiles and the Cranbrook ebonized walnut has been showing up much darker - almost black.
 

tedh

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And the answer is......You are the first one that this has happened to!!
Exactly the answer I got years ago from Crescent, when the I called Chicago about the fraying cores.
 
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bobtnailer

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I've seen the same ugliness with the Academie and Whitman lines. The veneer on some of the Whitman stuff is sooooooo thin that a light breeze can make it flake.
 
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