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Framing Queen

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So, I have a customer who wants the lanyard (see pic) attached to the mat board. Attaching the pocket is not a problem, but I'm at a loss as to how to attach the rope. The customer wants the rope to wrap around the middle window. The rope is black so it's hard to see. I thought of using EZ attach, but the tab shows even when colored in black. I also thought of using glue, but I'm not sure a tiny dab would hold up well. Any suggestions?
 

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So, I have a customer who wants the lanyard (see pic) attached to the mat board. Attaching the pocket is not a problem, but I'm at a loss as to how to attach the rope. The customer wants the rope to wrap around the middle window. The rope is black so it's hard to see. I thought of using EZ attach, but the tab shows even when colored in black. I also thought of using glue, but I'm not sure a tiny dab would hold up well. Any suggestions?
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You can also do what is called "Thread Conversion" This is a method where you make your own fastener using the locks and keys of the EZ-Tach string fastener and your own black thread. If you have the first DVD (and I think you do) the TC method is domonstrated on it.
 
OK, well sewing is pretty much out of the question as I've already glued the mat board to the foamcore. I should have waited (DUH). So I guess I'm back to the glue solution unless someone has tried something other than sewing.
 
You can still sew. Just take a heavy sewing needle and your needle nose pliers (what did you think they were for :D ) and poke a hole where you want your needle to go through. Or you can take your Attach-EZ gun and use that to poke your hole, just remember to twist as you go, the gun not yourself, silly.
 
Sewing is best, but where conservation wasn't an issue I've glued many such items using Frank's Fabric Adhesive or Lascaux adhesive. You don't need much... like the old Brylcream commercial "a little dabbl' do ya".

I just hit the high points where your arcs are at the top and then let it dry a half hour or so. Then stand up the piece and see how it lays. If there are areas that aren't laying like you like them to be then just put a few dabs of glue on again to adjust, dry, check and go.
 
Dave said:
Sewing is best, but where conservation wasn't an issue I've glued many such items using Frank's Fabric Adhesive or Lascaux adhesive.
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AH, EXCELLENT! I will head up to JoAnne's. I'm sure they must carry this adhesive. I was going to use Maxim - the glue I use for joining frames. But, I thought there might be a better adhesive. Thanks for the tip!
 
They don't carry either of those. I would also go with sewing, I would snip the head off a brad and put it into your drill and drill holes into the mat and foam core so the needle can pass through. I would go to Jo's and use upholstery thread and needles and heavy duty thimble too.
 
OK, Franks Fabric Adhesive it is! (Just ordered it) And, if you've ever seen me with sharp objects, you would know why I would rather glue it! :) Thanks for all the help fellow Grumblers!
 
Am I missing something here? Since when is it preferable to glue as apposed to sewing, filament attaching, clear film strips or the thread conversion I suggested? It seems to me that no matter what kind of glue is used, harm could be done if the object ever needed to be removed. Has something changed in the standards that I am not aware of? For years I have been told by all the educators....never glue....never glue....never glue. So, when working on product development I always look for ways to attach without gluing....unless the glue has nothing to do with the object being mounted. Please inform, because I must be wasting my time and energy to always try to be totally archival. I might be wrong, but if judging for the PPFA competiton I don't think any kind of glue would be acceptable for this lanyard.
 
Pat Kotnour said:
Am I missing something here? Since when is it preferable to glue as apposed to sewing, filament attaching, clear film strips or the thread conversion I suggested? It seems to me that no matter what kind of glue is used, harm could be done if the object ever needed to be removed. Has something changed in the standards that I am not aware of? For years I have been told by all the educators....never glue....never glue....never glue. So, when working on product development I always look for ways to attach without gluing....unless the glue has nothing to do with the object being mounted. Please inform, because I must be wasting my time and energy to always try to be totally archival. I might be wrong, but if judging for the PPFA competiton I don't think any kind of glue would be acceptable for this lanyard.
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Dave said:
Sewing is best, but where conservation wasn't an issue I've glued many such items using Frank's Fabric Adhesive or Lascaux adhesive. You don't need much... like the old Brylcream commercial "a little dabbl' do ya".

I just hit the high points where your arcs are at the top and then let it dry a half hour or so. Then stand up the piece and see how it lays. If there are areas that aren't laying like you like them to be then just put a few dabs of glue on again to adjust, dry, check and go.
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Of course, the OP mentions nothing about preservation either way.
 
Pat Kotnour said:
Am I missing something here?
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Well, not every single item being framed requires authentic museum, conservation or even preservation framing. This is nothing more than a lanyard. No historical significance, nothing of value except to the patron who has insisted that PRICE is the determining factor. AND, depending on the glue, it can be perfectly acceptable to glue all kinds of things.

But, had the patron insisted on museum, preservation or conservation methods of mounting, sewing or EZ attach would have been the manner of mounting. So, a dab of glue is perfectly acceptable here. As a matter of fact, I would have just used Maxim if I had not gotten any response. I'll try Franks Fabric glue and keep it in mind for future uses.

Thanks everyone for all your help!:thumbsup:
 
Funny you mention this. I've been wanting to frame like 300 backstage passes, and was just thinking about this. :)
 
Framing Queen said:
...had the patron insisted on museum, preservation or conservation methods of mounting, sewing or EZ attach would have been the manner of mounting. So, a dab of glue is perfectly acceptable here. As a matter of fact, I would have just used Maxim if I had not gotten any response.
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Few patrons would insist on preservation, because most of them don't have a clue about it -- except that framing is expensive and preservation framing :eek: sounds even more expensive.

Regardless of the disparities between consumers' perceptions and reality, they all expect us to take care of their possessions in the most professional manner...even if they don't know what that is.

In other words, don't assume anything. Have the conversation and come to an agreement with the customer about what you are going to do. I would probably come right out and ask, "Is it OK for us to put glue on this lanyard?" If the answer is yes, then your Maxim glue probably would be as good as any. Lascaux 360 is inert and soluble later, but the residue would remain in the fibers forever.

All of the glue choices would be invasive, but maybe that's OK. If not, then you have other alternatives to discuss.
 
On the off chance that the rope is hollow, which looks possible though I can't really tell from the photo, you could run a wire through it, bend it to the shape you want. Since it would then hold its shape, sewing would only need to be done in a few spots at most.

The wire would be invasive, but if the rope is hollow, it wouldn't hurt it.

I try to avoid glue as much as possible. Maybe at the moment, the customer wouldn't care. But years from now, who knows.
 
Stitching or fastening in some way would be what I'd do - it's easy, quick, inexpensive, has no risk of getting sticky stuff where it's not wanted and does not have to be put somewhere to dry while I get on with other stuff.

I've done nothing to it.

I don't often go in to details with customers of how and why I fasten, rather than stick things/the advantages of fastening vv sticking - it's my default and there's no need to bore people - and I suppose if my default methods were sticking things I doubt if I'd go in to details of the disadvantages vv fastening either.

If sticking was an option/necessity for this lanyard I wouldn't charge any less than I would for fastening anyway.
 
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bet he won't like the glue if it turns yellow and sticks out like a sore thumb in a few years.

sew, attach ez it----neither should take more than a couple of minutes.
 
Well I guess things have changed because I have been told more often than I can count, by many educators and conservators alike to never glue anything that could be damaged if it needed to be removed. This is the main reason why I have spent so much time developing ways that are inexpensive, time saving and archival to mount all types of 3D art. It seems to me that no matter what the object is or how little value it may seem to have at the moment, if it can be mounted easily, inexpensively and without potential damage to reverse, why wouldn't a framer use one of these reversable methods as opposed to glue? My motto has always been; "First do no harm, but make some money while you are doing it." In my book gluing is never an option if the glue is being applied directly to the object...no matter what. Some of the advise given to Framing Queen on this thread is very disappointing indeed.
 
I think this falls into the "How much preservation do you want category." We would have sewn this down initailly just for convenience because we worry about adhesives holding up over time. However, this is a commercial lanyard. My guess is that the worst that can happen is that the glue might fail over time and the customer returns for a fix. At this point, as you say budget was a factor, I would just get on with it and move on to the next job which is hopefully more profitable.

We have also used very small pieces of velcro before in situations where glue alone or sewing/tagging is not possible.
 
Kirstie said:
We have also used very small pieces of velcro before in situations where glue alone or sewing/tagging is not possible.
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OOOO,,,, I like the velcro idea. This lanyard is too small for that because each strand has to circle the middle window, but I'm gonna steal that idea for future use! :popc:
 
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