I just saw the damnedest coincidence on QVC

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BUDDY

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I just signed off TFG and walked into the den where Marie was watching here favorite TV Channel QVC. And what to my wondering eyes should behold , they were offering a "TAGGING GUN" and tags for $19.50 in total.

I didn't get the Item number but if you go online Marie says you can get it there. Or if you call they direct they can furnish you with all the needed info and take your order.

It isn't a ATZ but that is one big difference in price .

Marie just called and the info is Item Number is V24054 Price is $16.81 plus shipping and handling and called ( get this) "THE MICRO STITCHING and QUICK STITCHING TOOL AND REFILLS"
BUDDY
 
I am amazed I thought for sure SOME ONE would have surly tried to scoop up on one of theses and said so .But not a word and I'll bet even with no Framers they are sold out.Well I tried to show y'all a great deal.
BUDDY
 
Unfortunately, it's because probably everyone has already bought it earlier at the MUCH higher price.
 
Or you can even buy the whole kit with all of the options for one VERY resonable price in Las Vegas.
Then you can get some productive activity in with out watching "selling off america" or trying to find a Tandy store that's still open.

Personally Pat Kotner has taken what is there, and applied it conveniently to our industry. She has dedicatied her life to helping framers everywhere find an easier, quicker, and more profitable way to attach things.

For that perception and application and huge investment that goes well beyond the gun and sewing awl, she has been slammed for making a meager profit, ripped off and copied, and then it is amazing how many mean spirited jealous people must keep pointing out how to buy it $9 cheaper from a multi-billion dollar corperation.
 
Kudos to Pat

This product has been around for years - back in the 70's it was introduced to attach buttons and replace sewing. Pat has done an awesome job of applying this product to our industry and has taken a lot of low blows for all she has done.

If you have purchased her porduct she is always there to help and cheer you on. If you have a difficult piece you can fax or email her an image and she will tell you right where to attach the piece for the best presentation and will tell you which type of fastener to use.

I, for one, think the world of what she has done,

thanks Pat. :beer:
 
Gotta agree, it isn't necessarly the product but the knowledge of how to use it. Ripping off knowledge happens in every industry or business.
For instance my brother-in-law ran a family music store, with the hi-tech in electronics, people would come in all the time to demo his products and pick his brain and the would buy it on line.
Happens in the camerea business too and many others.
How would/or do we feel when a customer comes in and picks our creative brain in how to frames omething and then goes elsewhere because it is cheaper?
Buy the tagging gun a few bucks cheaper and then use Pats knowledge to get the most out of it. Maybe not illegal, but not very nice.
Pat, you should start selling instuctional books and vidieos on how to use a tagging gun in custom framing. (did I hear something was in the works?)
 
Not just a tagging tool.

Buddy, I would have thought that after all these years you would have figured out that Attach-EZ is not just one tagging tool. My All In One Combo Kits contain the following: One Fine Fabric tool, one Micro tool, 3 micro needles & 5 fine fab. needles, 2000 of each 1/2", 1/4", 5mm Fine Fab fasteners, 2040 White and 1020 Black Micro fasteners, the EZ-Tach kit with 200 attaching devises for attaching 3D art, the EZ-Stretch kit that teaches you how to strech needlework using the FF tool, A Sewing Awl and thread kit (with 12 bobbins of thread which have a 10-20lb break strength), the Tenara thread kit, which takes the place of fishing line, but won't biodegrade like fishing line and comes in 10 colors, a 12 color EZ-Match Pen set-with case which has fade resistant, acid free, pigmented ink pens, written instruction booklets for fabric mounting, attaching 3D art, and for stretching needle work and it all comes in a 14" carring case and a 90 minute instructional DVD that teaches you how to use all the systems within the All In One Kit.

I do understand that some people may have more time to try to find a cheaper product, but you need to keep this in mind; your $19.95 tool will cost $5-$7 to ship,and the $9.95 sewing awl costs the same to ship. For those two items you will have spent $41. You will get no extra needles, no thread, and no instructions of how to use the tool correctly and efficiently for framing.

I have spent thousands of dollars and many hours putting this program together, and there are thousands of framers who really appreciate my efforts in trying to help make a framers life easier, and make money on projects they couldn't before, because the projects were too labor intensive.

I find it very interesting that a few of the educators who frequently give out advise on the Grumble are still trying to put Attach-EZ back in the box, and I am very grateful that most of the informed framers are not listening to them.
 
Another "Tip of the hat" to Pat and her idea of utilizing an existing product and modifying it for use by framers. Granted, it is not perfect for everything - but just watching Pat demonstrate it properly will give you several ideas & uses for her product. Also, w/ Pat's kit, you get everything you need in one package & will save you the time searching for the items in it - and let's face it time = $$$
Just my 2¢
 
Pat, will you be at the WCAF show with Attach-EZ? I was hoping to purchase a kit there, so I could see your demo. I'm with everyone else...$19.50? To me, that's just a button-attacher. I'm thinking you get what you pay for, and that it would end up back in the box in no time. I'd rather pay for the quality equipment with Pat's research, development and support, and know it will be used, per many framers' testimonies. I used Attach-EZ in another shop and loved it, and miss it now!!
 
Points well taken. You get what you pay for and as Pats unit has ALOT more then you should expect to pay more for it. I already bought mine a while ago.
As my fingers get older, I will be using it more and more rather than trying to sew everything down.
 
Attach-EZ

Yes Val, I will be at the WCAF show in LV and in Baltimore as well. If you don't want to wait until then, call me direct. I have been giving the show special price with the DVD to anyone who mentions the Grumble or that they have seen me at the shows.

You are right about one thing, buying a tool cheap does not teach someone how to use it. These tools were not made for the application of picture framing. I have spent many hours testing products and working out ways to adapt them to framing, and this is why it works. That 19.95 tool + shipping cost will not be such a good deal if the user breaks the tool the first time they use it because they didn't have instructions on how to apply it to framing.

There is also one more important thing. All of the tools of the A-EZ kits are fully warranted against breakage for the first 90 days and after that they go in to an out of warranty program. In that program we replace either of the tools of our kits with a repaired tool for $9.95, and will ship them the same day. This is a permanent warranty that has no expiration date and this warranty is also extended to anyone who has purchased an A-EZ kit from any of the reputable distributors in which Fletcher was marketing to.

Thanks to all of you for your kind words.
 
Pat, thank you . I don't want to wait until then, so I've left a message on your PM and 800#. You're right, why wait until January, when I'll need it for the Christmas crazies?
 
Another note about the Pat's Stitching Awl...

It is one of the few on the market that will actually clamp a standard (non-Singer brand) sewing machine needle, so you can downsize the needle and make smaller holes. Denim Jean's needles work the best because they made a bit stiffer than universal needles; just pick the size that suits your need for hole size. You don't have to use it for sewing either, with sewing machine needles, it make for a great punch.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how custom framers who have "you get what you pay for" as the very foundation of our business model, will fail to practice what we preach to save a few bucks on some false economy, even within our own industry.
:shrug: Rick
P.S. Anyone who wants a good demo of Pat's system and can't attend the show would do well to read Jim Miller's recent article in PFM.
 
Pat I just thought some might only want a Micro tagging and Quick stiching gun. And while you gave some very detailed instructions when I saw you demonstrate your gun for FLETCHER-TERRY .I thought maybe some Framers could figure out how to use the other device with out too much instruction and they were asking $19.95 Total shipping and handling . The Inital cost was $16.81.But all you got was the guns extra tags and the standard quicky instructions. I am always telling My wife she can find almost anything QVC offers some where else with out incuuring all the shipping and waiting. People just think things are cheaper and exclusive on QVC.

But Also You are very correct about my not knowing what came in your package now.When I saw you offer the Guns all that other equipment was included. All I remember was the two sized guns and spare needles and extra tags of different sizes. And now you are offering all those other things at no additional cost.

I'll bet you also sent the extra add ons to the earlier buyers as well.

One thing more I sure hope when you say that ,"a few of the educators who frequently give out advise on the Grumble are still trying to put Attach-EZ back in the box," you do realize I am nor have I ever been an educator of any discription at any time. But I know no matter Who they are or what their credentials you can rebut anything they say.

BUDDY
 
Yes, Hawickman we ship all over the world. The UK is not problem.
 
Buddy, You give out advice to many people on the Grumble. Some of your advice is good, but the fact that you did not know anything about my kits, and the fact that you are still trying to point people in any direction other than mine, makes me believe that you have affiliation with someone who does not want me to be successful. I wonder who that might be? There are a couple of educators out there who....like I said before....would like to put Attach-EZ back in the box and have been very vocal about it. You may not be an educator, but you do give out advise to framers and you have been very vocal about your dislike for me and my company since day one.

A successful framer will not spend valuable time trying to find a deal or to piecemeal a kit together. They will buy what works and what they know can help them the most. I am not cheating anyone with my kits. I would like to see you put together the contents of my kits, with all of its parts exactly the way I pack them and pay the price I am selling them for. If you can do it, more power to you. Also, when you are finished and you have managed to put together some sort of kit, you still won't have the one thing that makes the whole program work...the instructions!
 
Pat ……………..a question will the DVD be suitable for legal use in Europe!!!!!!

BTW many years ago I introduced the Dennison system (now Avery Dennison) to the Irish market it was a job I had for about a year when I was very young…..my target market was the rag trade……I did OK…….in it’s time it was quite an advancement on the old string on the swing ticket system and like what you have done for the Picture Framing Industry the speed factor was what was key to it’s sales….. it was a tough sales job and I was very glad to go back to selling Laboratory Equipment and supplies…….but in those days in Ireland you took what job you could get……or emigrated to the US…….and god’s knows you have enough troubles in the US asides from having me there…….Dennison most likely saved the US from Dermot……
 
Pat,

I, as an inventor, who spent a ton of money and few years on the development and then on patenting my invention, fully understand your feelings. It's a shame that you put so much efforts in the development of this tool applications for the framing trade and now cheap imitators are ripping you off by selling this tool for much less.

In one of your posts you mentioned that you had applied for the patent. Have you got a patent?

Have you copyrighted all instructional materials that you developed?

Fortunately, we are not in China, and you can and should protect your intellectual rights! You have hundreds of users/witnesses among Grumblers who would be happy to testify in your defense in the court of law.

You write -"I find it very interesting that a few of the educators who frequently give out advise on the Grumble are still trying to put Attach-EZ back in the box, and I am very grateful that most of the informed framers are not listening to them."

I have met in person many of the framing industry pructicioners/educators and all of them are extremely decent and knowledgeable people. If you know educators that are not fair to your products, tell us your side of the story and don't be afraid to give the names. Let's Grumblers to make their own conclusion and then to decide if it worth to take those educators' courses and to read their books.

(BUDDY, one of the nicest guys on TG, should be completely exonerated :-). In his posts he NEVER sounds unappealable unlike some of the KIAs - Know it all).

Good luck,

Boris Muchnik
AccuHang.com
 
My only beef

The colors of my Attach-EZ guns has absolutely nothing to do with the colors mentioned in my instructions. Someone out there is color blind, and it isn't me. Is there any way to differentiate the guns without resort to color? :shrug:
 
Bork said:
Pat,


Have you copyrighted all instructional materials that you developed?
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Bork

If you are the author of something you already own the copyright, you just need to be able to prove that you don’t have to register a written item, like songs, books, software, drawings, paintings etc. etc….the author is the owner

Lots of people mix up copyright and patents …….two different kettle of fishes…..

I own the copyright to all and everything that I originated on the Grumble for example and should have full free access to it to edit as I chose …….. the owner of the Grumble needs to consider how the site is moderated ………….there is some very interesting legalisation going through the US congress right now which will effect bulletin boards like this and the right of a poster to have free access to change anything they may have posted in the past ……………in other words it would be possible illegal for a poster to be blocked from the likes of this site, all their posts must be removed in there entirety and returned to the owner of the posts if the poster is to be removed or the poster must be given full and free access to all and every post ever made….

Anyway I digress some what
 
Pat you now have made a comment that demands that i correct your assumptions. I wasn't going to say anymore. But IMHO you have step way over the line by making comments that you nor anyone else can show to be correct.

First you said ,"the fact that you are still trying to point people in any direction other than mine," does this mean you are trying to say that your direction or products or the only ones that are correct or should be explored? You know sort of my way or no way comment.

Many people and some very well known like your products but others don't .Just as many framers use C+H mat cutters and others Fletcher-Terry's and still others sware only CMCs or any good. Are we to assume some of these people don't have a right to their opinions or shouldn't be shown the other cutters . That sure could make trade shows smaller couldn't itand everyone's choices simplerwouldn't it?

But while we are speaking about well known Industry experts you then go on to say,"the fact that you did not know anything about my kits, and the fact that you are still trying to point people in any direction other than mine, makes me believe that you have affiliation with someone who does not want me to be successful."

You obviously have missed the fact that I have been put out of business by a Hurricane named Katrina about a year ago and missed all trade shows for almost a year before that. So the fact that I didn't know anything about your kits should be no big surprise unless you think I spend all my time keeping taps on what you are offering.

But the biggest error or assumption you made was to say that my pointing people in any other direction other than yours could only be caused by my being affiliated with someone who doesn't want you to be successful. That is saying so much wrong I don't know where to start. but let me try. First I ,as I have said and will continue to say, am only trying to give all on TFG as many choices as I can . The decisions are theirs to make and YOURS to earn.
But more importantly I have no industry affiliations of any kind and there are just as many who would be turned off by my recommendations as otherwise but I made no such recommendation . I only said the other product was cheaper. In some quarters that isn't even a compliment ,why are you concerned since your product /kit is so much a better deal?

I wish I was like you and had Industry affiliations and support . Maybe I could still be attending trade shows and networking with the People I respect and admire. But I can't afford anything but this computer that I try to use to help others with.Maybe you'd have me give that up also?

But the biggest question your comments seem to raise, and I and some others have no answer to , is "I wonder who that might be? There are a couple of educators out there who....like I said before....would like to put Attach-EZ back in the box and have been very vocal about it."
Because it for sure isn't me or am I speaking for them and I'd love to know what Industry educators in the name of h3ll you think pulls my strings or is Out to getyou ?

I also doubt your sincerity when you say you'd love to see me or anyone else put together a kit like yours when you make comments like you did in your opening comment.

I am glad many like your products and I am truly impressed at the additions you now offer as compared to what I originally saw you demonstrate at Trade show. But Lets be fare not everyone likes all the same equipment and there is no big conspiracy when that happens. And even if there where I am the least likely person to be involved in any such back stabbing and I only wish I had some industry AFFILIATION. So I think you owe me an apology and the others a correction or two.
BUDDY
PS Is it apparent that this comment has angered me more than any I have ever seen on TFG in all My years?And does it seem as unwarnanted and unfair to anyone else ?
 
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Thats a very antogonistic approach Dermot, if you don't think you are capable of saying something for the long term then perhaps you need not say it in the first instance. If someone hears you say something I assume you will then want the option to erase it from their memory next, dangerous times we live in isn't it...
 
Lance

It's the law and always has been so ………….congress and other governments around the world are just bring things up to date to meet the age of the internet…………

What is antagonistic!!!!.............I’m afraid I cannot follow what you mean………….are you saying it is OK to break the law!!!!!!
 
Dermot. said:
I own the copyright to all and everything that I originated on the Grumble for example and should have full free access to it to edit as I chose ……..
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I don't agree with that at all - I'm not saying it could not be law and I don't know enough about copyright to argue - just my opinion. Sites like this need to be able to get rid of trolls and offensive posts.

This would be an interesting new topic.
 
Well, in a word Dermot, no. What I am saying is that it would be fantastic if we were all able to communicate in a grown up fashion without the expectation that someone babysit us forever and a day. Please call it ignorance - I was unaware that anyone really needed that type of sheltered existance, my apologies for my obvious lack of understanding your conditions.

Thesaurus results for antagonistic.
 
RoboFramer said:
This would be an interesting new topic.
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That would, in fact, be a very old topic and it wasn't that interesting the first time.

This is a private forum. By registering, we are all agreeing to subject ourselves to whatever rules the owner chooses.

Most of us don't find them particularly restrictive. For topics or language unsuitable for a publicly viewed (yet privately owned) forum, we have email.

I've sent a few emails I'd like to take back, BTW.
 
Dermot,
With that line of logic you would be able to have published works recalled from private owners so you can revise. I believe copyright protects your ownership of what you write from exploitation by others for their own means, or use in commerce without compensation. I don't think it is or was ever intended to be license to endless revision after publication.
You put your words on a privatly held forum of your own free will with full knowledge of the limits in editing. Nobody forced your hand.
I'm sorry to say this, but your post sounds like a bunch of sour grapes bundled as a veiled threat. Maybe that's not what you meant...there's still time to edit.
 
On a forum like this you cannot impose conditions that supersede the law …………….nor can you in any walk of life impose conditions that supersede the law……..there are those who try, hence the wrath of litigation that fails….

And I beg to differ this is not a private forum anyone can read what is posted here…………Ron you keep pushing that dangerous notion, which could be very misleading to others and possibly get posters who are given a false sense of security by what you are saying into trouble.

Ron just because you don’t find something interesting because it may not suit your agenda it may be of interest to others …..it is arrogant and rude of you to decide for others

Perhaps you should check the law before you push the notion that this is a private site and that the owner can do what he likes with it…………your analysis of the situation is wrong and you could possible get the site owner into trouble…………….if you have an doubts about what I’m saying go find out why Dell closed the support forum they supported last year……and why many forums like what Dell supported in other areas around the world have shut up shop……

PS
Copyright…… http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

Who Can Claim Copyright?
Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.
 
For heavens sake, no-one said it is a private forum, just a privately OWNED one.

Framer could press the self destruct button anytime he chose and there is bugger-all you or anyone else could do about it if you wanted to change something you said last week or whatever.

I could cut and paste anyone's post before they had a chance to delete or edit it - but I could never prove they actually sent the post in the first place, I could have printed the lot myself, and if they had never deleted it - all the moderator could do was prove is was sent from your computer.

Your son may have sent it - some pervert may have broken into your home and sent it. That would stand up in court.

I send someone a hand-writen letter accusing them of being a phaedophile - I sign it. It goes through their letter box and it is then THEIR PROPERTY.

But I was wrong - they take me to court - libel - I say "Er ... excuse me, that letter is my property and I have copyright - you cannot submit this as evidence because it is mine" and then I say "Give it to me, I will alter it and then you can use it, or then again I may just burn it - oh, and if perchance you have made a copy I will turn the tables on you and sue YOU"

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Stuff you send out into the ether is anybody's and if you don't believe that you'd best not hit the 'submit reply' button again.
 
What is the point of all this nonsense?? And what pray tell does it vaguely have to do with the subject of this thread??? I thought that the argument about the tacking guns was turning juvenile but this really takes the cake for full grown adults trying to one up each other!!

Dermot, I was off the Grumble for almost a year and when I came back on you were obviously missing from the posters. I asked about you because I considered you on a friendly basis with me and I was told that you had become an arrogant, hard headed, rude, foul mouthed individual who was so out of line on some subjects that they had to ban you from the forum. I didn't believe those accusations but there was nothing to prove it was so as all the offending posts had been taken off and discarded. Now I am not so sure.

So you believe that you can take the Grumble to court and sue and win because they destroyed some copyrighted materials of yours??? Man, that is so outlandish that I am embarassed to say I even know you. This isn't the Dermot that I was acquainted with by any means!!

I am sorry that you have had so much turmoil in your life that you have to take pleasure in provoking others who were once your friends to post such defensive nonsense. I will not take part in this copyright thing as I see it accomplishing nothing but feeding into your warped sense of need to be recognized as a rabble rouser.

Sorry to have taken up so much of your valuable niggling time with this boring opinion.

Framerguy
 
Framerguy said:
This isn't the Dermot that I was acquainted with by any means!!

Kinda afraid to get into the fray, BUT how do we even know that this is the Dermont that you knew? This is cyberspace after all. It could be an imposter using his name, or an evil twin. Heck this might not even be me posting. As a matter of fact it isn't, and if pressed I'll deny it.
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Dermot. said:
...It's the law and always has been so ………….congress and other governments around the world are just bring things up to date to meet the age of the internet…………

What is antagonistic!!!!.............I’m afraid I cannot follow what you mean………….are you saying it is OK to break the law!!!!!!
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Making empty threats may be considered antagonistic. It may be antagonistic to ascribe your own meaning to a law, or to assert that a law has been violated without proof of the assertion. Perhaps it is antagonistic to demand action that may be impossible, or at least expensive, while offering neither a clear method to do it, nor full compensation for the work.

I'm no lawyer, but I believe that if a person chooses to place words here, or on a telephone pole, or to float them down the river in a bottle, or to drop leaflets of them from an airplane, then his decision to do so rests with him.

It might be reasonable to say that by posting words on an internet forum with no assurance of privacy, the writer grants permission for anyone to read them.

It might be reasonable to say that by posting to a forum that has established and published rules for deletion, the writer agrees with those established, published rules.

It seems antagonistic for a person to change his mind and assert that he has a right to take back words he once purposely and willingly gave away, free of charge, to all readers of a public forum.

And it seems antagonistic to hijack a totally unrelated thread.
 
Now back to the original topic...

I guess Buddy did not intend to harm Attach-EZ, and I guess the company's owner deserves to be vocal about the suggestion that a $19 thing on QVC is comparable to her product.

Others have pointed out that the Attach EZ kit consists of considerably more than a tool, and I agree that the greatest value of the Attach EZ kit is the benefit of detailed instructions and help from Pat. She is supportive and helpful to many framers who use her products, including me.

In my shop we use Attach EZ tools and fasteners, as well as EZ Tach fasteners for three-dimensional objects. The price of the tools and fasteners has come back to us many times over, in application ideas, improved methods, and savings of time.
 
Ask anyone who knows me either from here or in person and they'll tell you that as a framer, I'm a dedicated luddite. Anything that came after the Keeton is heresy and the lazy person's way out.
That being said, my hands aren't what they used to be, and all that sewing I was doing to stretch played hall with my joints.
When I was at the last NY show, I watched Pat do her thing with the attatch EZ for quite a while. I asked a lot of pointed questions and got a lot of polite and gracious answers. We've got a set of the guns here in the sho[, but I had never gone near them. Nope, don't need 'em, I can sew.
I just got a mess of doilies in and gave the guns a shot. I was wrong...buy them, folks, they're all that and a bag of chips.
 
I ordered my kit yesterday. I used one in another shop, but don't have one here. Have been putting it off, and everytime I sew a project I think "this would be so much easier if...", and then I don't.

This thread made my mind up. The busy season is upon us. No time like the present! My hands, too, will thank Pat.
 
Thank you Jim. In my estimation you are one of the best educators out there because you are not afraid of progress or to try something new. There will always be new products as long as there are inventive people who find new and easier ways to get the job done. No educator or framer should turn their back on new products because someone says that they didn't like it. Not unless that person has used the product personally and has valid reasons for you not to spend your money. And, the good educators like Jim will not give you advise about products that they have not personally used, and fairly tested before giving the thumbs up or down.

For the record, I really don't mind constructive criticism about the Attach-EZ systems....because the only way to make a better product is to know what the framers who are using it have to say about how it works.

The product line has evolved over the past 5 years and my methods of use have changed considerably since the company's inception. This is mostly because of customer comments and from spending many hours trying to find easier ways to accomplish labor intensive jobs. Any framer who is using the Attach-EZ systems is very welcome to make comments and criticisms. I can't fix it if I don't know that it's not working.

My theory is that I already know everything that I know, and if I only listen to my own advice, I will never learn anything new. No one is ever to old or too smart to learn new tricks of the trade.
 
Pat is a class act. She can be honest, take criticism, answer kwestions, and voice her opinion. She does not say she is right, but voices her experience. What more could you ask for? She does not get snippy, nor upset. Some people have come here and threw some garbage her way...she ducked and came back to answer in detail the kwestion asked in a professional manner.

You need to know about your product, know how to use it, and how to present it. She is great at all three. And plus this thing is good. Tools have applications, it takes the person behind the tool to operate it in a correct and appropriate manner.

I say thanks for helping the industry, and when the next invention from Pat comes out I will be infront of her booth listening and watching .

PL
 
How much does Pat's Kit retail for? I am planning on doing a Football Jersey in the near future, and I would like an easy way for attaching it down. Is there a website for Pat's product?

Thanks,

dave.
 
My web site is www.attach-ez.com. If all you are doing is a Jersey you may want to look at the 400S or the 400SC. This is the Starter kit which includes everything you will need for fabric mounting. Call if you have any questions. 800-527-1521.
 
I've had the guns for two years and I can now see a jersey come through the door without crying!

I saw Pat at the Atlanta show, and watched her demo. Within a few weeks of returning home, I bought the whole kit, with the DVD.

I have watched it with my employe and feel it has been one of the best investments for my shop!!

If you have not bought yours yet... Run, don't walk to the phone and get it ordered! It will save your Christmas Season!


Thanks Pat for making framing fun again, and taking the stress out of doing what we love!
 
Wanna see just how delicate a jon they'll handle?
 

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Bogframe, That is a really nice example and shows very well how you can attach very delicate fabric items. Good job.
 
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