I got an email titled "FRAMERS NEED TO KNOW"

ERIC

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So I figured I'd pass this tasty edu-mercial on to all of the framers I know.
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Hi,

this is ed.. from LAMP (LearnAboutMoviePosters.com)

As a framer, are you aware of the problems and complaints that many movie poster collectors have when getting their movie poster collectible framed? As a recognized expert in this field, I am contacting framers to help try to resolve some of the problems...

BUT FIRST, let me introduce ourselves. LAMP is THE reference site for movie poster collectors. We've become fairly large, with over 200,000 pages online with an average of about 5000 collectors a day visiting our site. We try to provide information and direction on ANY associated area of movie poster collecting. (If you would like to know more about LAMP, who we are and what we do, please visit these articles on our site: History of LAMP and a LAMP Layout.)

I know that most framers study hard to learn how to handle and frame a wide variety of papers and prints, BUT....

DID YOU KNOW.....


Fold lines are acceptable and considered a sign of originality. They are not supposed to be removed by dry mounting.

If a movie poster collector takes a dry mounted movie poster to a major auction, (i.e. Christie's, Heritage, etc) they will be charged $400 or more to have it removed from the dry mounting because it's considered a DEFECT to the poster as recognized in the hobby???

Using glass on poster sizes of one sheet and above are considered a detriment?

Framing over NSS (National Screen Service) numbers immediately causes concern and suspicion among collectors?


I have literally heard hundreds of stories of new collectors going into their local frame shop and simply assuming that the framer is aware of the acceptable method of framing a collectible movie poster. They are usually very happy with their new framed poster until they learn that certain framing techniques, such as drymounting, are considered "DEFECTS" in the movie poster community. The framer is then basically blamed for RUINING their precious collectible. It doesn't matter that they 'ok'd' the procedure...... the 'bad' guy is always the framer.... because he's the 'EXPERT'.

We're attempting to reach out to framers to try to help eliminate some of these horror stories and restore some of the prestige that framers have worked to obtain. Here's how we can help:


We have prepared a quick reference chart for framers to help quickly identify collectibles vs. non-collectibes.

We have suggestions on how to handle certain potential problem situations

We have access to professionals that can help you offer more services to collectors.


We are continually asked for the names of knowledgeable "movie poster framers" in specific cities. To help establish a network of movie poster framers, we have been talking with collectors and framers about creating a list of 'LAMP Approved Framers' (we already have LAMP Approved Dealers and Suppliers) and wanted to find out who in the industry would be interested.

Here's the basics:


LAMP would provide closer assistance for any questions from framers on any particular poster.

a LAMP Approved certificate to hang in your store for movie poster collectors to identify with.

LAMP has created a US states map AND map for major countries for collectors to see what's available in the collectors area. LAMP will place your location on the map and give contact information showing that you are THE framer to contact that understands the problems of movie poster collectors.


If you have any interest OR any questions about any movie poster related area, please let me know

thanks for your time
ed
edp@LearnAboutMoviePosters.com
 

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OHMYGAWD, is that our old friend ED?

Somebody who has a few minutes should post a link to the old thread so that everyone has the essential background info.

Eric, how lucky for you that you ended up on Ed's mailing list!
 

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Using glass on poster sizes of one sheet and above are considered a detriment?
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I'm a little slow can someone explain?
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Never mind, found "their" answer HERE. They haven't changed anything.
 

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If I remember correctly, a "one sheet" is the 27x41 movie poster displayed in theatres. Lately the newer ones have been shrunk to 27x40 (perhaps because 32x40 is a standard GLASS size???).
 

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Code word:<font color=red>Evergreen Slugs</font color>

How come you are the only framer here who got one Eric? Did they realize you were the one screwing them all up? ;)
 

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I have no idea why I have the honor!

hmmm, . . . I honestly can't remember that last time I used Super77 to glue a trimmed movie poster to the side of a refridgerator box.

And the rest of you - you know who you are! It's only a matter of time before you too will get this email notification of your violation of the Movie-poster-mogul-gone-wild-on-framers-of-the-world official code of conduct and table manners.
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You know, as I read the info (see link in Rogatory's post) it occured to me . . . . that the most acidic thing there was his attitude.
 

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Ok I didn’t know anything about this “Ed” joker.

When I read the letter I thought, “man this sounds neat.” So I clicked on the website and found some really horrible references to retail framers. We have sense exchanged some rather unfriendly emails.

I would like to first get over my anger and then start another thread about the dangers that their preferred methods can cause. I think that framers should take the high road and form a response to his readers addressing the issue of bad framing (and we all know its out there).

We have the responsibility to save face and offer them the TRUE store and not some made up mumbo jumbo about conservation from some loser that has convinced people that they can sandwich a poster between uv-plexi and acid free foamcore and everything is fine. You think I’m joking? He writes in one of our emails “She holds a very simple philosophy
which ALL veteran collectors applaud. Sandwich your poster between 2
acid free pieces...... then the rest is optional and window dressing.”

He is making a mockery of the entire industry.

This jacka$$ needs a reality check..

I’ll just shut up now cause he really pisses me off. He is a no good……..

Carry on!
 

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C'mon! Movie Posters - it's Hollywood! Everything is fake in Hollywood, framing should be no diff.
 

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Kathy: Thanks for the Evergreen Slugs reference. I remembered there was some code word from the last time all this came up, but I couldn't remember what it was.

LOL,
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I actually some very nice email conversations with EdP just after the time of that mess of a thread.
He was very nice and eager to learn about framing and had some good basic knowlege.
I think the Hollywood Poster Frame site/Sue is only loosely affiliated with him and she seems quite heavy-handed in her wording.
Either way, I think it would be important to educate collectors and I think he is on the right track especially with the comments about folds and wrinkles. We all know that the only reason we would ever even consider dry mounting is when a customer requests that the wrinkles/folds/looseness magically 'go away.'

Right?
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I also think it is important for the collector to let us know that the piece they are framing is valuable and not simply that 'they don't want to spend much money framing this.' You (us framers) can't always tell by looking at a poster that it is a valuable/rare one.
Ed helped me to understand and recognize some of the important identifying elements. (like the NSS#)

edie the whycantwealljustgetalong goddess
 

ERIC

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Oh yeah, I did think of the first time this all came up and turned into the "Evergreen Slug incident" :rolleyes:

The original thread that started it all is here. And this time it was all Jack Bingham's fault (and not Kit's for a change ;) )

This is the follow up thread that Ron started after things got, well, a little warmed up

It came up again here, but was bounced around rather well. Good info in this thread.

ATTENTION ALL NEWBIES: this is some great Grumble history. Read it and weep - from laughter. If you think we have been a little testy with a few questions LATELY, oh boy, you're gonna love this. I know I did at the time
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Goddess - thank you for telling us about your contact with Ed. It can only help everyone involved but the information has to be coming from both sides.
 

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I can't believe I re-read all those threads. (I now have a headache).

1) How did he get your e-mail address?

2) Maybe he is sending other collectors to Sue and trying to find other "informed" framers so these posters are destroyed to drive up value of his collection.
 

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In our case, they harvested it through FRAMER SELECT's web referral system. I use unique email addresses each time I give it out, so i'll know where the spam comes from.

(hint: most spam comes from Decor!)

I can't believe someone would put this kind of misinformation on a website and claim to be an expert, bash the industry, and then preach it to a professional framing audience. They should be concerned about (legal) liability, because their previous advice will ruin people's items!

That company would greatly benefit from some education from the PPFA or FACTS, IMO!


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That's how I came in lurking..... wasn't sure if I wanted to deal with some of the hot heads...

Some so hot they seared the hair right off.... :D

I'm sure we can now all look back and laugh:f:
 

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W O W ... That made some interesting reading. You guys have way to much fun... There is alot to be learned, and even more to be forgotten.
 

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..... I'm a little confused..... NEVER have I heard that glass has high levels of acid in it.... NEVER... Am I missing something??!!!

On the thing Rogatory posted it said: "Let’s begin with what’s in front. First off, glass is a no-no! Not only does it break, but it is loaded with acid and absorbs heat and anything else that is floating around the air, thus creating an environment for fading and decay."
 

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;) Don't you wear gloves, a face shield and a lab coat when you handle glass so that you don't get acid burns? ;)

You have probably picked one of the most outragous examples of why this person is so irritating to me.

This might be a reference to an outdated myth about the non-glare being unsafe for the art because they acid etched the surface of the glass to get the desired effect. That was never true, and it is 20 or 30 years ago that it got started and was debunked soon after.

This slug-framer needs to get out more.
 

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At some point today the thought occurred to me. Why are you lashing out against a stupid bobble head like ED instead of the real moron Sue?

I can't answer that question. I think I'll refocus tomorrow.
 

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Actually, glass is silicon dioxide with sodium,
potassium, or other fluxes, which make it glass
and not quartz crystal. These addatives can come
out of the glass, but when they do, they are more
likely to form bases than acids. When they react
with acids in the environment, they form salts.
Framers are likely to have seen such salt on the
glass of old frames that they have opened.

Hugh
 
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