I don't know if I'd do that...

B. Newman

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I just read in Art World News (issue that just came) that "Crescent has announced the introduction of a Lifetime Warranty Program that guarantees its RagMat products, when used in accordance to accepted industry framing practices will not damage artwork or it will replace the matboard and the artwork for free."

Hmmm. Whatcha think about that?

It goes on to say, "Framers are encouraged to place a label on the back of any framed piece using Crescent RagMat to notify the customer that this matboard is protected by a lifetime warranty. If a consumer finds that their RagMat no longer meets the standards the industry has set for matboard quality (under normal use), they should return the finished piece to the framer who will then contact Crescent to request a replacemant. After review, Crescent will contact the framer for resolution of the claim."

Just sounds like more headaches to me...

Betty
 
Originally posted by B. Newman:
(snip) . . .when used in accordance to accepted industry framing practices will not damage artwork or it will replace the matboard and the artwork for free."
Accepted by whom, exactly? What if the artwork is the picture the client's toddler drew today and there isn't a problem until he's 16? How would Crescent propse to replace, or even compensate for that?

It goes on to say, "Framers are encouraged to place a label on the back of any framed piece using Crescent RagMat to notify the customer that this matboard is protected by a lifetime warranty. If a consumer finds that their RagMat no longer meets the standards the industry has set for matboard quality (under normal use), they should return the finished piece to the framer who will then contact Crescent to request a replacemant. After review, Crescent will contact the framer for resolution of the claim."
Why not just slap on a label that says "Please look for problems"?

I'm with you, Betty. Why ask for troubles? If someone goes through the trouble of returning somethingand the claim is denied it's likely to create ill-will. If a framer does put that label on a piece and closes up shop years down the road what recourse does the customer have?
 
Or what if Crescent closes up shop?
 
It sounds like one of those specialty insurance policies - the ones that will pay you if you're injured while riding in a purple cab driven by a Icelandic national in Boston during a month ending in 'y'.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm having to sell wider mats just to make the package big-enough to accommodate all the stickers I already put on the back.
 
If you cut a double mat with one Alphamat and one Crescent rag, would you use half of two different stickers?

I have some Alphamat stickers around here somewhere.
 
Yup, I can just see Crescent replacing an original drawing by Van Gogh, replacing the mat(s), paying the framer for labor, in about ten or fifteen or fifty years. Sure, you betcha, won't be a bit of a problem, yup.

John
 
Would the art to be replaced have to be appraised initially? If not, would that void the claim? How could you replace limited edition art? A S/N print 50/125 is unique.

Is Crescent gonna pay for the unfitting and refitting?


Nah, … I’ve got too many stickers on the back of my frames as it is.
 
All this is pretty much the way I was thinking, too. I love Crescent matboard, but this just doesn't seem to be a very well thought out plan. Too many variables, too many dealers, too many people going in and out of business. You can't guarantee the unknown.

Sears tools, yeah. There's only one place in the world to buy Craftsman tools - Sears. Everybody and their brother carries Crescent.

Why is common sense in such short supply?

Betty
 
I can see this idea being rolled out at a meeting, but if the people who've posted so far identified this many problems this fast, how did it ever get far enough along that it's being announced in print?
 
Probably because the people who thought up this "winner" also thought the Elizabeth Dow collection was a bold new move in design. :eek:
 
The Elizabeth Dow Collection, and the Michael Graves Collection, WERE bold new moves in design. They're not for everybody. I'm not sure they're for me, though I've used some of them. It's pretty clear they're not for you, Framah.

Everybody wants some advertising space on our dust covers. I'm sure Crescent wants to get their name out their just like we do.

If we put a sticker on the back for every product in the frame package, it won't make much sense for me to pay extra for colored kraft paper.

Personally, I think the worst idea to come out of Crescent in recent years was to cut the big circular notches in samples to identify the oversize boards. They dropped it pretty quickly, but sent out some pretty cheesy-looking samples in the meantime.
 
Actually, it's not a bad concept. The matboard in question absolutely will not harm the art. No way, no how. Period. At first blush, it's plainly a no-risk offer.

T%he operative phrase is "accepted framing practices". I guess that's a direct reference to FACTS standards. Thanks for putting the standards to work, Crescent.

"Accepted framing practices" would let them off the hook if damage occurs when an unaware framer puts buffered matboard on a sheepskin, or uses ATG to hold those RagMats together, or mounts with corner pockets, or....

There is potential harm in that it plants the seed of possible damage from framing.

Chances are that a few framers will misuse products or procedures unrelated to any Crescent product, and cause damage for which Crescent will be blamed. When it happens, it won't be Crescent's fault.

But because Cresecent's pockets are deeper than nearly any framer's, they would pay a big piece of the settlement. That seems an invitation to disaster.
 
Betty,

What did the <font size=1>fine print</font> say??

There HAD to be some <font size=1>fine print</font> in there somewhere!

I have never seen such a fantastic offer that didn't have some <font size=1>fine print</font> buried in the <font size=1>bottom somewhere.</font> :eek:

Framerguy
 
http://www.crescentcardboard.com/

(Get out your reading glasses... :eek: )

LIFETIME LIMITED WARRANTY

The warranties provided by Crescent Cardboard Company, LLC ("Crescent") in this statement of limited warranty apply only to covered products originally purchased by you for your use.

Covered Products: RagMat® matboard

Warranty Period: For the life of the Covered Product, which means from the time the framed piece containing such Covered Product is completed, according to accepted industry standards for conservation framing, until it is reopened for any reason.

Limited Warranty: Crescent warrants that Covered Products will not deteriorate or become non-functional or harm the artwork in a framed piece if used according to accepted industry standards. This limited warranty covers damages to the Covered Products and framed artwork, up to an aggregate maximum of $1,000, when the damage can be directly attributed to the Covered Products. This limited warranty only applies to artwork matted in finished framed pieces that have been framed according to accepted industry standards for conservation framing using Covered Products that have been properly handled and used under normal conditions.

Making Claims: To make a claim under this limited warranty, contact Crescent by fax or mail using the contact information below, and provide a brief description of the problem. Crescent will contact you with further details, and may require, as a condition to this limited warranty, that any framed piece containing a Covered Product claimed as defective be sent at your expense to Crescent at the address below for inspection. If, after review, it is determined that a valid warranty claim has been made, Crescent will refund the retail value of the damaged Covered Products and artwork not to exceed $1,000.00. YOU AGREE THAT SUCH REFUND SHALL BE YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY AGAINST CRESCENT. All reviews of damaged pieces shall conclude no later than 30 days after receipt by Crescent. All framed pieces shipped to Crescent will be retained by Crescent unless you request their return, in which case they will be shipped back to you at your expense and risk of loss. Any pieces in CrescentÕs possession after six months will become the property of Crescent.

Exclusions and Limitations: This limited warranty does not cover problems resulting from misuse, abuse, alteration, accident, neglect, or damage caused by acts of God or any other causes not related to defective materials or workmanship in the Covered Products. This limited warranty only applies to Covered Products sold and used in the United States of America and Canada. The retail value of the Covered Products and the artwork as reasonably determined by Crescent shall be the sole measure of value used in determining any amounts due under this limited warranty, provided that CRESCENTÕS TOTAL LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES CAUSED BY COVERED PRODUCTS OR TO ARTWORK SHALL NOT EXCEED $1,000.00.

To the extent permitted by applicable law, THE FOREGOING LIMITED WARRANTY IS THE EXCLUSIVE REMEDY AND EXCLUDES, AND IS IN LIEU OF, ALL OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE COVERED PRODUCTS. To the extent permitted by applicable law, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ARE LIMITED IN DURATION TO THE LIMITED WARRANTY PERIOD UNLESS A SHORTER STATUTORY PERIOD APPLIES. Some states or jurisdictions do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

To the extent permitted by applicable law, EXCEPT AS EXPLICITLY PROVIDED HEREIN CRESCENT SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, EXEMPLARY, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES UNDER THIS LIMITED WARRANTY OR FOR BREACH OF ANY EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY WARRANTY OR CONDITION OR OTHERWISE RELATED TO THE COVERED PRODUCT, EVEN IF CRESCENT HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. CRESCENTÕS LIABILITY TO YOU FOR DAMAGES FOR ANY AND ALL CAUSES OF ACTION AND CLAIMS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, BREACH OF CONTRACT, BREACH OF WARRANTY, NEGLIGENCE, GROSS NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY, MISREPRESENTATION AND OTHER TORTS, SHALL IN NO EVENT EXCEED EITHER (1) THE AMOUNT PAID BY YOU FOR THE COVERED PRODUCT AND DAMAGED ARTWORK AS TO WHICH THE CLAIM AROSE, OR (2) $1,000.00, WHICHEVER IS LESS. Some states or jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you.

This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights, which vary from state to state or jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

General: This warranty is made in and shall be governed by the laws of the State of Illinois. Crescent shall not be in breach of this warranty or responsible for damages for failure to perform in full or in part its obligations hereunder due to causes beyond its reasonable control.

Distributors, salespersons, retailers or other representatives of Crescent have no authority to alter or change this limited warranty or to make any other warranty on behalf of Crescent. This warranty only applies to end user purchasers of the Covered Products and not to retailers or resellers.

Contact Information: Attn: Marketing Dept. Crescent Cardboard Company, 100 W. Willow Road, Wheeling, IL 60090, Phone: 1-800-323-1055. Fax: 1-847-537-7153.
 
Well, that was very finely printed! And LONG! And limited! ......... for a warranty.

So, if you tear down a piece 25 years from now and find something inherately wrong with the matboard, you will probably have to crate it up, ship it to Crescent, they will inspect what's left after UPS gets done mauling it, and blame the faulty matboard on "an act of God"!!

Who is going to argue with "an act of God"???

I would keep this "warranty" under my hat, Betty, and hope that none of your patrons read AWN. I wouldn't want to be the first framer to challenge that warranty, no way!!

Framerguy
 
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