Franchesca
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Looking for an easy hanger solution, between sawtooths and security hangers, to hang 30 8x10's down a stairway, grid-style.
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Opinions Wanted Hanging 30 frames
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PaulSF
PFG, Picture Framing God
Wallbuddies are less work than security hangers.
surferbill
SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Try these hangers by Picture Perfect. They work great for small pictures and are very easy to use. I think if you buy in bulk, they are about $1.00 each.
The owner is Jack.
jmcdaniel@pp-mfg.com; 508 835 9000 x130
The owner is Jack.
jmcdaniel@pp-mfg.com; 508 835 9000 x130
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Grumbler
Are those your only choices? If you don't need the security hangers than go with the sawtooths. If I use sawtooth hangers I combine them with Pic-Sure-Stays from United on the bottom corners to help hold them level. Alternately you can hammer in small nails on the bottom leg and cut off the heads so after leveling you can just push the frame tight to the wall and it will hold pretty good.
But if you have the time to order other hardware I would take a close look at the Picture Perfect system. I find them great for doing groupings.
Bill types faster than me...
But if you have the time to order other hardware I would take a close look at the Picture Perfect system. I find them great for doing groupings.
Bill types faster than me...
Kirstie
PFG, Picture Framing God
Our installer would use Z-Bar for this type of installation (non-security, but can't move around) Z-Bar is a bit more labor intense, but it's cheap and permanent and the frames won't move around. But you do need to know what you're doing to install Z-Bar evenly.
Are they out of the same or different mouldings? How wide is/are the backs of the frames in general. Less or more than 1/2 inch?
Baer Charlton
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Are we the only ones who read the "8x10" part?
It took you longer to post this question than it would have taken to slam in 30 sawtooths that will always line up on a grid with out even trying.
Ho Kay, you asked for help...
1) Lay out the grid for all 30 and hammer in nails.
2) Hang only one picture at a time. I know you think you are a trained professional, but trust me on this.
3) Hang 5 then stand back, take a few sips of coffee and judge your work so far. Take some more sips of coffee, reach out and touch the corner of one of the frames. Sip a few more slurps of coffee, nod, put down the Vente and hang 5 more. Done right this should maximise the "on-site" labor time and the people are greatly impressed that you take such care in your hangings. (really it's take great care choosing the right coffee and writing large hanging bills... which they pay with a smile because "they didn't know all that was involved.... they would have just hammered and hung in 5 minutes or so"......... 3 hours...... who knew?
Much like Baer says, exept by the third row get a cup of tea instead, variety is the key...
I cheat doing these types of installs by using the 3m command adhesive picture hanger/velcro ripoff product near the bottom (not so close as it can be seen) to keep them from wiggling. (Actually I cheat even more by sending someone else to do it, but I have gone to drink coffee & tea once or twice)
I cheat doing these types of installs by using the 3m command adhesive picture hanger/velcro ripoff product near the bottom (not so close as it can be seen) to keep them from wiggling. (Actually I cheat even more by sending someone else to do it, but I have gone to drink coffee & tea once or twice)
Bill Henry-
Brussel Sprout Connoisseur
If all the 8 x 10s are oriented in the same direction (horizontal or vertical), then a sawtooth will be the quickest and easiest way to hang these.
An inexpensive laser level will be an invaluable aide in this.
An inexpensive laser level will be an invaluable aide in this.
Bob Doyle
SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
But they are going on a stairwell folks! If they weren't so small I'd say picture picture is ideal for this set up. Tape a thumb tack to the sawtooth and pretend youre using the Picture Perfect!
Bill Henry-
Brussel Sprout Connoisseur
The way I understand it, with Picture Perfect, you cannot set up a grid with a ruler. They are perfect for positioning a single frame exactly where you want it, but, since the dimples on the hanging gizmo are on the back of the frame, you would have to position each of these 30 frames by eye. IMO there are too many chances for each one to be just a teeny bit off.
If you use sawtooths (sawteeth
) you can set up a simple grid on the wall (starting with a horizontal laser), then measure the horizontal distance between the frames, mark it, then do the same with the vertical drops. Drive a nail with a head at each point and your frame alignment should be perfect.
This isn't to scale since I can't remember how much rise and step of standard stairs are.
If you use sawtooths (sawteeth
) you can set up a simple grid on the wall (starting with a horizontal laser), then measure the horizontal distance between the frames, mark it, then do the same with the vertical drops. Drive a nail with a head at each point and your frame alignment should be perfect.
This isn't to scale since I can't remember how much rise and step of standard stairs are.
MIK
SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Here's my process for hanging multiple frames. Doesn't matter what size, shape or what type of hanger. All my customers who have used this technique thank me a million times for how easy it is. They even use it to hang single frames when they're not sure about placement and height above the sofa, etc.
1. cut pieces of paper the same size as the outside dimension of the frame
2. fold the paper in half width wise.
3. measure where the wire is from the top of the frame (where the hanger will be) or where the saw tooth hanger is located and fold the paper again. The intersection of the two fold lines is where you will place the bottom of the j-hook hanger or nail if using a saw tooth.
4. using 3M 811 removable tape, tape the paper to the wall in the arrangement you desire. If you want everything to be level, use the fold line as your guide, not the top of the paper.
5. step back, look, go have a cup of tea, come back, look again, readjust if necessary.
6. Place the j-hooks or nail at the intersection point, remove paper, hang frames.
7. Works every time.
1. cut pieces of paper the same size as the outside dimension of the frame
2. fold the paper in half width wise.
3. measure where the wire is from the top of the frame (where the hanger will be) or where the saw tooth hanger is located and fold the paper again. The intersection of the two fold lines is where you will place the bottom of the j-hook hanger or nail if using a saw tooth.
4. using 3M 811 removable tape, tape the paper to the wall in the arrangement you desire. If you want everything to be level, use the fold line as your guide, not the top of the paper.
5. step back, look, go have a cup of tea, come back, look again, readjust if necessary.
6. Place the j-hooks or nail at the intersection point, remove paper, hang frames.
7. Works every time.
Franchesca
CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
The way I understand it, with Picture Perfect, you cannot set up a grid with a ruler. They are perfect for positioning a single frame exactly where you want it, but, since the dimples on the hanging gizmo are on the back of the frame, you would have to position each of these 30 frames by eye. IMO there are too many chances for each one to be just a teeny bit off.
If you use sawtooths (sawteeth
This isn't to scale since I can't remember how much rise and step of standard stairs are.
Wow...some of us have way too much time on our hands. Great Graphic! I DO appreciate your effort, Bill and everyone else! BTW I believe the rise of a step is 9.5".
Moulding is 1/2" wide in the back. Oak, needs to be drilled before attaching hardware. Hammering 30 sawteeth (I liked that) not as quick as one post mentioned.
Picture perfect seems like the better solution, however I liked the sawtooth/velcro option, too.
Yes, have laser level, will make things easier.
Laser Level with Airgrip
Because the molding is only 1/2" wide and your frames are pretty small the best solution could be small sawtooth hangers attached to the frame with the #4 screws. Don't use sawtooth hanger with prongs, I don't have a trust in them.
Use #8 x 5/8 or longer particle board/chipboard screws with a wafer head to hang frames. Those screws have a pretty "aggressive" thread and would be sufficient to support your small frames without any wall anchors or a stud.
To keep those small frames sturdy on the wall use thin, about 3/32" thickness bampons that have flat surface (not the spherical surface) from AMS.
Not recommend to use any sharp nails to stabilize the frame, it could be your bad luck, or some child to be around, or your customer trying to take the frame off the wall some time later.
There is a great level made by Ryobi- Laser Level with Airgrip. It has a miniature vacume pump that keeps the laser on the wall surface without any damage to the wall-space technology.
Good luck
Because the molding is only 1/2" wide and your frames are pretty small the best solution could be small sawtooth hangers attached to the frame with the #4 screws. Don't use sawtooth hanger with prongs, I don't have a trust in them.
Use #8 x 5/8 or longer particle board/chipboard screws with a wafer head to hang frames. Those screws have a pretty "aggressive" thread and would be sufficient to support your small frames without any wall anchors or a stud.
To keep those small frames sturdy on the wall use thin, about 3/32" thickness bampons that have flat surface (not the spherical surface) from AMS.
Not recommend to use any sharp nails to stabilize the frame, it could be your bad luck, or some child to be around, or your customer trying to take the frame off the wall some time later.
There is a great level made by Ryobi- Laser Level with Airgrip. It has a miniature vacume pump that keeps the laser on the wall surface without any damage to the wall-space technology.
Good luck
surferbill
SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Over the years I have repaired dozens of pictures customers have brought in with broken glass that had Sawtooth Hangers on the back.
I don't trust them to stay on the wall, and would never use them unless a customer requested them.
I certainly would not use them going up a stairway where people can bump up against them.
Just my 2 cents.
I don't trust them to stay on the wall, and would never use them unless a customer requested them.
I certainly would not use them going up a stairway where people can bump up against them.
Just my 2 cents.
Bill,
The problem when using the proper (without prongs) sawtooth hangers on only SMALL & LIGHT frames, not in the hangers, per se, but in the nails or screws customer used to hang those frames on the wall. Therefore, when using sawtooth hangers, look one step ahead and provide your customer with appropriate screws that I described in my previous post.
Franchesca,
The ideal solution for your super large grouping would be AccuHang brackets hung on Wall-Dog screws. AccuHang brackets provide sturdy and safe hanging. And, frames are hung flat against the wall. Though, they cost more than sawtooth hangers, their application in your particular case is more than justified.
You don't need to spend money on the AccuHang Professional Tools if that is a one time job and you are not involved in the installations on the regular bases. If the wall the frames should be hung on is not an armed steel
, you would need only one set of the consumer-grade hanging guides to do that job.
Contact me if you have more than a week for materials to arrive.
The problem when using the proper (without prongs) sawtooth hangers on only SMALL & LIGHT frames, not in the hangers, per se, but in the nails or screws customer used to hang those frames on the wall. Therefore, when using sawtooth hangers, look one step ahead and provide your customer with appropriate screws that I described in my previous post.
Franchesca,
The ideal solution for your super large grouping would be AccuHang brackets hung on Wall-Dog screws. AccuHang brackets provide sturdy and safe hanging. And, frames are hung flat against the wall. Though, they cost more than sawtooth hangers, their application in your particular case is more than justified.
You don't need to spend money on the AccuHang Professional Tools if that is a one time job and you are not involved in the installations on the regular bases. If the wall the frames should be hung on is not an armed steel
, you would need only one set of the consumer-grade hanging guides to do that job. Contact me if you have more than a week for materials to arrive.
Bill Henry-
Brussel Sprout Connoisseur
The frames as described are 8 x 10. By my calculations the glass should weight less than 9 ounces, the frame, I'm guessing, maybe another three ounces, so we're looking at 3/4 pound. Plenty light enough for sawtooth.
So far every one has come up with a avery good solutions...
I think the traffic pattern & if they are to be hung higher than 3 foot above the hand rail will dictate the final method of hanging...
Let us know which you choose to use & why.
I think the traffic pattern & if they are to be hung higher than 3 foot above the hand rail will dictate the final method of hanging...
Let us know which you choose to use & why.