sumik
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Gave the boss one last chance to renew PPFA membership today. She said "It hasn't been any benefit for us." Well, it was a benefit for me! Grumble Grumble Grumble.
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Dermot
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Can you write off membership to the PPFA as a business or as a personal Tax expense in the US.
In Ireland membership of a professional body is allowed for TAX expenses either for the business or the individual.
Maybe your boss would go for it if you could sell membership on the professional benefit of you being a member rather than the business, this would have the benefit of the staff being the professionals, thus having a more focused approach rather than a general business focus.
Good luck.
Dermot
In Ireland membership of a professional body is allowed for TAX expenses either for the business or the individual.
Maybe your boss would go for it if you could sell membership on the professional benefit of you being a member rather than the business, this would have the benefit of the staff being the professionals, thus having a more focused approach rather than a general business focus.
Good luck.
Dermot
Vic Grand
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You can write off the membership into PPFA off as a business deduction.
I see the reply from Ireland, and would like to know if you can deduct in other countries.
Vic Grand - PPFA
I see the reply from Ireland, and would like to know if you can deduct in other countries.
Vic Grand - PPFA
Sue it just may be that your boss dosen't realize what you do to stay so informed. Maybe if he realized how much the membership meant to your continued education and HIS work Quality he'd change his mind.
Buddy
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Elaine
SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I believe the deduction will fit under the "Misc Expense" portion of your tax return. Typically this is where continuing education expenses, professional fees, etc. are listed. They only really take affect if you are in a position to itemize, but then I'm not a CPA that's kept up with the tax rules.
If you feel the benefit of it, I would hop on and buy your own!
If you feel the benefit of it, I would hop on and buy your own!
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vic Grand - PPFA Admin:
I see the reply from Ireland, and would like to know if you can deduct in other countries.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here in Australia the cost can be a tax deduction as well.
The biggest problem we have down here is that the Aussie dollar is not worth much more than US 50cents these days, so the cost of membership to us is nearly double what it is for you guys up there and we don't get many of the same benefits either.
Having spoken to John Ranes at the Sydney trade show this past weekend, I have almost been convinced that I should rejoin PPFA again.
I would also like to know if there will be any way that I could requalify for CPF from way down here. I did my CPF exam in 1992 in Melbourne.
I see the reply from Ireland, and would like to know if you can deduct in other countries.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here in Australia the cost can be a tax deduction as well.
The biggest problem we have down here is that the Aussie dollar is not worth much more than US 50cents these days, so the cost of membership to us is nearly double what it is for you guys up there and we don't get many of the same benefits either.
Having spoken to John Ranes at the Sydney trade show this past weekend, I have almost been convinced that I should rejoin PPFA again.
I would also like to know if there will be any way that I could requalify for CPF from way down here. I did my CPF exam in 1992 in Melbourne.
Vic Grand
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Osgood:
You are grandfathered, which means you do not have to recertify. However, we have started providing recertification via our tele-ed series (by telephone) and will be releasing a way for people to take the CPF exam via the internet.
I guess sometimes that those of us based in the USA forget the exchange rate that the foreign countries must deal with. Also the costs you must incur for importation, shipping, time delays, etc. I would say that your customers are willing to pay for quality work, though.
You are grandfathered, which means you do not have to recertify. However, we have started providing recertification via our tele-ed series (by telephone) and will be releasing a way for people to take the CPF exam via the internet.
I guess sometimes that those of us based in the USA forget the exchange rate that the foreign countries must deal with. Also the costs you must incur for importation, shipping, time delays, etc. I would say that your customers are willing to pay for quality work, though.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vic Grand - PPFA Admin:
Osgood:
You are grandfathered, which means you do not have to recertify.
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Thanks for your reply! and for the information that I am 'grandfathered', but I would really like to know exactly what it means, if you could explain please.
I do intend to rejoin PPFA, but it will have to wait a little while.
Osgood:
You are grandfathered, which means you do not have to recertify.
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Thanks for your reply! and for the information that I am 'grandfathered', but I would really like to know exactly what it means, if you could explain please.
I do intend to rejoin PPFA, but it will have to wait a little while.
Vic Grand
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" ...and for the information that I am 'grandfathered', but I would really like to know exactly what it means, if you could explain please"
Starting with the CPF exams in January, 1994, anyone that had taken the exam prior to that time (before 12/31/93) did not have to take the Recertification Course (one day class, not a re-test). Anyone Certified after 1/1/94 is required to take the Recertification Class at least every four years.
We do encourage any "grandfathered" CPF's to take the Recert course to see what new things may have been introduced.
Vic - PPFA
Starting with the CPF exams in January, 1994, anyone that had taken the exam prior to that time (before 12/31/93) did not have to take the Recertification Course (one day class, not a re-test). Anyone Certified after 1/1/94 is required to take the Recertification Class at least every four years.
We do encourage any "grandfathered" CPF's to take the Recert course to see what new things may have been introduced.
Vic - PPFA
Slowalkintexan
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When did the PPFA start?...and what was the first year of 'certification'?
Framar
WOW Framer
I can't answer about the PPFA but I was certified in the second North American exam, held in Toronto (I believe the first test was in Los Angeles) and this was 1986!
They hadn't even worked all of the bugs out of the test at this point and there were at least three ambiguously worded questions that I struggled over, only to be told AFTER the exam: "Oh, those won't count."
They hadn't even worked all of the bugs out of the test at this point and there were at least three ambiguously worded questions that I struggled over, only to be told AFTER the exam: "Oh, those won't count."
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curly
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I resent being called "grandfathered". I was in the first test in San Francisco in April '86. It was a great excuse for a business trip there. I'm not sure but I think PPFA started in '70 or '71, but with my "grandfathered brain" I might be wrong on that. I am sure on the first test though.
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curlyframer, CPF
Wow! 1986, I thought the testing started much earlier. I received a letter from PPFA back in the 60s that was about their intentions of starting the test. They where soliciting frame shops for their input on what would be good questions to ask. I think that was somewhere between 1965 and 1968. I mailed in a few suggestions and never heard any more about it. I can't even remember my suggestions it's been so long. I was working for Aaron Brothers back in those days. My job took me away from framing so I lost touch on what was going on with the testing and PPFA. I assumed testing was well under way when I started my own business in 1976.
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JRB,
I found your comments on the framing in the 60's interesting......obviously Californians were on the leading edge. According to the 1996 edition of "Who's Who"...... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
On August 21, 1971, seven Californians - Rick Benson, Paul Frederick, Jack Grimes, Lloyd Hightower, Dean Phillips, Dale Provence and Don Taylor - signed the incorporating documents that created the Professional Picture Framers Association.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Indeed the first CPF exam was administered in San Francisco in 1986, after development by PPFA volunteers working with ETS in New Jersey. I believe that there are currently over 5,000 certified picture framers.
This doesn't help sumik convince her employer of the benefits of membership.....may be an impossible task. I would suggest paying the dues as an individual member (Three or four installments are available) and deduct this from your personal tax return.
Regards,
John
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I found your comments on the framing in the 60's interesting......obviously Californians were on the leading edge. According to the 1996 edition of "Who's Who"...... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
On August 21, 1971, seven Californians - Rick Benson, Paul Frederick, Jack Grimes, Lloyd Hightower, Dean Phillips, Dale Provence and Don Taylor - signed the incorporating documents that created the Professional Picture Framers Association.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Indeed the first CPF exam was administered in San Francisco in 1986, after development by PPFA volunteers working with ETS in New Jersey. I believe that there are currently over 5,000 certified picture framers.
This doesn't help sumik convince her employer of the benefits of membership.....may be an impossible task. I would suggest paying the dues as an individual member (Three or four installments are available) and deduct this from your personal tax return.
Regards,
John
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