Glue Guru advice needed - before it sets!!

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Rozmataz

Rozmataz

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I posted a couple of days ago - and perhaps the title wasn't exact enough to get responses to help with a real problem...

I have tried 5 different glues to try to re-adhere 17 Japanese Silver "whatevers" to velvet matboard and because they are little (2" or smaller) and hollow with just a thin edge to capture the glue (except for 3 of the pieces) I am having trouble finding a glue that will hold this teeny tiny edge...

The glue that was used (these came from Japan) is kinda a rubbery, skinlike texture... not even sure what it is - in my search for the proper glue

I have tried: Hot glue, Tacky Glue, Silicone, now I am waiting the results of E-6000 and Super Gell Adhesive.

The Super gel seems to be set already... and could be a winner - any suggestions still welcome.

And that's the truth....

Oh, should I let it sit for a day before I close up the frame once I finish the actual gluing process?

thanks, Roz :eek:
 
Roz,

Since you are going to have adhesive on the pieces anyway, why not cut little (under 2") pieces of black foamcore to act as "stalks" for these coins or whatever they are? You can adhere these to the hollow backs of the pieces and then adhere the bases of these foamcore pieces to the backing board.

If you have access to a CMC cutting a number of round circles out of black foamcore should not be a problem.

Framerguy
 
Bond 527, dries clear, takes some time to set but should work. It bonds most any material to another. Get it at hardware, craft stores etc. I would definitely wait a day before sealing frame just to make sure everything is secure.
 
If you have access to a CMC cutting a number of round circles out of black foamcore should not be a problem.
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Not to be picky, but does anyone out there have a CMC that will cut fomecore?

Cutting oval fomecore or glass - which I do about 5 times/year - are the only reasons I keep my ancient Ovalmaster in the shop.

I can't help you with your glue question, Roz. I used some adhesive a week ago that looked like it would adhere anything to anything. I was attaching (I thought) some items to a suede mat, and was appalled when everything fell off the next day. So I read the directions a little more carefully and saw, "Not recommended for fabric."

I bought the adhesive at a fabric shop.

[ 02-21-2003, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Ron_Eggers ]
 
OK, I have thus shown my total ignorance of CMC's.

But, if I can't spend my days cutting out little round circles of foamcore with my CMC, then I don't really need a CMC now, do I??

Framerguy
 
Oh boy, some good suggestions... the little suckers are mostly very tiny pieces with no room for foamcore behind - they are not very thick either... and have slim details... so no room to attach... plus the items are top mounted to the velvet with a multi-mat openings (17) cut and the existing frame the customer has is very shallow for the depth needed for all these layers. HELP!
 
... or monofilament.

If these are irregular shapes (as opposed to smooth edged circles) you could probably sew them down in the time it takes glue to dry.

Kit
 
I think the monofilament would be ok (if it works in this situation that is). It's nylon, just like tulle is, chemically similar to silk. Nylon is degraded by light and acids, but should hold up fairly well in a good environment. I've read that tulle can start to "go" in 20 years or so, but don't know what the display conditions were. Monofilament would be stronger than tulle. Monofilament is certainly used in museum displays. If it's a worry, you can always go polyester. That lasts forever!

Rebecca

[ 02-22-2003, 01:38 AM: Message edited by: Rebecca ]
 
Roz, did you use the regular Tacky Glue, or the Thick Designer Tacky Glue? Sometimes the Thick stuff will hold things that the regular Tacky in the gold bottle won't. It might be worth a try. I'd also let what ever you use set out for at least 24 hours to throughly dry, and outgas anything that it's going to before you seal it up. I usually try to do this with anything that I have to use any kind of glue within the framing pkg.
Another thought. What shape are these little silver gizbos? Can you wrap a tiny gage of silver wire around them, then poke a small hole in the backing to run the wire through? You can get some really nice silver wire at the craft stores, these days, that is not real silver, and will hold it's color. You can get it as small as 26-28 gauge. If these are really small, that should hold them, and may be the answer instead of trying to glue them.
 
Thanks to all for your input. And Susan's last idea was good and I would have done that... but the Super Glue Gel I used did the trick along with the idea to glue a piece on the backside and then glue that to the board... even though only the large one in the middle had the room to do that. All the little thingamajiggies were way too small but the super gel adhesive was great... the customer looked it over with a fine tooth comb and I am certain would not have liked the use of tulle but wire would have probably been okay. But then he would have asked (I am imagining!) "If they did it "this way" (how it was done when he brought it in) whycan't you!?"!!! SO - I didn't want to look inferior!

The customer was happy! Phew. That's the bottom line, eh!?

Roz
 
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