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Terry Hart cpf

Terry Hart cpf

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Are you using Gilman MountCor? How do you like it and where do you get it? I haven't found a source & inquiries to the company have gone unanswered.
 
Terry Hart cpf said:
Are you using Gilman MountCor? How do you like it and where do you get it? I haven't found a source & inquiries to the company have gone unanswered.
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MountCor, MountCor black and the newest MountCor Canvas are fabulous products. As permanent 130F low temperature HA boards they are safe for everything that is mountable in a press. Gilman is still in the stages of getting this new MountCor family into distributors, but anyone who currently stocks Gilman products can get it for you. I am checking with Gilman for all Grumblers about availability and will let you know.
Chris Paschke
 
DesignsInk said:
MountCor, MountCor black and the newest MountCor Canvas are fabulous products. As permanent 130F low temperature HA boards they are safe for everything that is mountable in a press. Gilman is still in the stages of getting this new MountCor family into distributors, but anyone who currently stocks Gilman products can get it for you. I am checking with Gilman for all Grumblers about availability and will let you know.
Chris Paschke
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NEWSFLASH!! This just in from Gilman Brothers

Larson-Juhl will be stocking and distributing the MountCor line as soon as they can get it into inventory. This came directly from Cyrus Gilman just five minutes ago. Great news for all of us!
Chris Paschke
 
We have been using MountCor ever since Chris introduced it to us at the beginning of the year. Flawless mounts, clean, smooth boards and it really works (especially at 130 degrees!)

We have been getting ours through an International Moulding subsidiary, Valley Moulding and Frame.
 
How does it compare in cost to Kool Tack?
 
If LJ will carry it that's good news for me. Like Kristie, now about the pricing...
 
Terry Hart cpf said:
If LJ will carry it that's good news for me. Like Kristie, now about the pricing...
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Framers, you should lead your decisions by performance not price. Low price sometimes equates to lesser quality control. Things are cheaper for a reason. Also you should not be eating additional costs. You can add $5 or $2 or whatever you need to cover your HA board when mounting. If your mounting charges do not cover your materials and labor with profiit you are simply not charging enough.
Chris Paschke
 
DesignsInk said:
Framers, you should lead your decisions by performance not price. Low price sometimes equates to lesser quality control. Things are cheaper for a reason. Also you should not be eating additional costs. You can add $5 or $2 or whatever you need to cover your HA board when mounting. If your mounting charges do not cover your materials and labor with profiit you are simply not charging enough.
Chris Paschke
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Yes indeed. That's why I'll be interested in finding the cost. I'll check with my LJ rep next week & see when it's due down the pike.
 
DesignsInk said:
Framers, you should lead your decisions by performance not price.
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Chris beat me to it - even if it is a few dollars more, you certainly could justify the price with improved mounts, lower risk of damaging art and a better overall mounting experience - the boards are a pleasure to use, the adhesive is smooth and flawless, the boards are flat, and the release paper that comes with it is re-purposable in your shop.
 
Still no Word, my LJ rep has heard nothing of this & no reply from the Gilman co. either. Has anyone heard anything further?
 
Terry Hart cpf said:
Still no Word, my LJ rep has heard nothing of this & no reply from the Gilman co. either. Has anyone heard anything further?
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Sorry. I was premature in any announcement. In the mean time any distributor who currently carries Gilman products can get you any of the MountCor family...MountCor, MountCor Black or Mount Cor Canvas as a special order. Currently it is available through Valley Moulding on the west coast.
Chris Paschke
 
One question I have is with the low temperature mounting of 130 degrees, is there much of a danger of pop-off or bubbling in warm climates?
 
Dave said:
One question I have is with the low temperature mounting of 130 degrees, is there much of a danger of pop-off or bubbling in warm climates?
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Excellent question but as I have previously mentioned it is a permanent adhesive that bonds in the press as it reaches temperature not under weight as it cools. Only chemical solvents will dissolve the bond.
Chris Paschke
 
I still am not clear on whether or not LJ will be carrying MountCor? We have been trying to get hold of Kool Tack but it is very hard to get in Canada. if LJ is going to carry the Gilman product perhaps we could get it from them?
 
So, unlike Kool Tack, it would not be considered easily reversible but could be reversible by a conservator? Are the bonding chemicals damaging to artwork? I would imagine so.
 
Dave said:
So, unlike Kool Tack, it would not be considered easily reversible but could be reversible by a conservator? Are the bonding chemicals damaging to artwork? I would imagine so.
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All mounting is considered invasive and not reversible. In fact this word is fast becoming so bastardized--like acid free or archival--that it no longer truly describes anything. Real "reversibility" means the art is brought fully back to its original state prior to mounting, as when preservation mounting with edge strips, starch hinges or corner pockets. PVA wet, spray, pressure-sensitive and dry heat mounting are all invasive and will always leave some degree of adhesive residue in the art after removal. That goes for removable thermostatic adhesives (which release with the reapplication of heat) and permanent thermosetting adhesives (which dissolve with the application of chemical solvents). Only Restore, Preserve, Preserve Ultra HA boards are considered reversible, but they fall into a class of their own.

So the answer other than the three mentioned above, all dry mount boards and adhesives are never reversible...ever. There will always be something left behind so the art will never again be the way it was prior to mounting. Chemical solvents will dissolve the adhesive bond but alter the art by leaving residue of perhaps both chemicals and adhesives. Basic Kool Tack boards are removable but residue will be remaining.

I'm not sure how else to stress this. If preservation and reversibility are required then only preservation methods may be used where no adhesive touches the art besides starch.
Chris Paschke
 
So starch is still considered a non-invasive approach to mounting? Even on a par with just using edge strips?

I've been float mounting some valuable Picasso prints and I cautioned my client that overmatting and edge strips would be a less invasive treatment. After consulting with his art broker he still opted for float mounting which I obliged with slight trepidation. These prints had not been handled since 1937.
 
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