Framing Question!

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Nice dream, Erin.

Here is my take on the difference between artists and framers. Most artists are lousy framers but don't realize it. Most framers are lousy artists and know it.

I know there are exceptions (to both generalities) - some of them on The Grumble - but this has been my experience.

Maybe the framer who worked with Shelly is an artist.
 
Originally posted by Mike-L@GTP:
Auto and home loans are protected by a "3 business days" federal rescind (Truth in Lending) law. There are similar laws for door to door salespeople.

I've never heard of a 2 day law for framers though
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It's not a federal law, it's a law that some states, like Wisconsin, have. It's not specifically for framers, but for businesses in general that do any kind of custom work. I heard about it from some photographers who ran into it with some portrait orders where the client changed their mind. It applies to a number of different businesses, not sure what. It is a buyers remorse type of law. Wisconsin grumblers are the only ones who need be concerned about this particular one, but you might want to check to see it the state you are in has something similar.
 
Thanks Dermot for the info on PPFA, I will go back and look again. I think I will take my other pieces to Jerome, since you have vouched for him. :~) From what I hear, you are ok too, maybe a hatchet job here and there but no ax murders...


Erin,
I think that's a brilliant idea. Now we just need to figure out which organizations to approach! Not just colleges, but art societies etc. There are so many, but a good idea can spread! I think that you have a good idea, very simple which is why I like it. :~)
 
Ron,
I must be an exception, I'm an artist and a lousy framer and I know it!

I think it's just that most artists (including me sometimes) don't have the money to have things properly framed so we get by the best we can. Most people really balk at the price of art as well, you know. Often an artist can price their work at just about exactly the price of their canvas, paints and frame and people would still think the art was expensive! They will walk by and say, "oh, that's so beautiful, I love it...whew...$500! so expensive!" People just don't realize.
 
Ok...here is the latest...Erin, you should love this:

I had emailed the estate of Zamy Steynovitz to ask THEM how the serigraph on canvas should be handled. His brother sent me this reply today:
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"Hello
I am not aware to the technical way of framing may be you can get more information from Park West Gallery:
tel. 18005219654 http://www.parkwestgallery.com
Sorry I could not be more helpful

Steynovitz Tzvi
Tl. 972-50-6501632
www.steynovitz-zamy.com
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This reply is great testiment to the need for career minded artists to have had education in the mechanics of what we call framing, while in college!

As a friend of the vice-dean of an international art college - we have discussed this and her opinion of this issue is that it will take monumental shifts with the educational policy makers to make even the slightest change in class offerings, let alone broaden the view of the student body. I'm working on her though. Part of her job requires her to deal with the who's who of art institutions on a regular basis. I'll give her a link to here.
 
Eric, you are right. I have a degree in art, and I do not recall even one class session...let alone one class devoted to framing. Of course it has been 20 years, but I think I would remember...unless I forgot. :confused:

Seriously, there was very little education on archival materials or longevity discussed, much less framing. You are right...it is sorely missing.
 
Our local art college - Emily Carr Institute for Art and Design - contacted a paintings conservator about giving a course geared for artists. She designed a great one. Unfortunately, not enough students signed up for it, so it never happened.

Framing and the appropriate use of materials, environment factors etc. may have the same appeal to art students that English 101 has for college and university students. That's why English is a required course. I suspect something similar would need to happen for conservation framing etc. to be a successful part of an art school's syllabus.

Rebecca
 
Consumers right to cancel: In Ohio we have a "3 day right of recission" It applies to loans and in home sales only as far as I know. For almost 30 years as a custom cabinet company we had to honor this 3 day period on any sales in which we made an "in home visit". If the customer came into my store and made a purchase before I visited their home, the 3 day right of recession did not apply. Even at that there are certain circumstances in which the customer might sign off on that right of recession, such as an emergency replacement of a water heater or HVAC system. The irony is the 3 day right of recession came about in large part due to the high pressured and dishonest sales tactics of some HVAC contractors. Most legitimate home improvement contractors like the 3-day rule.

Being that my new frame shop/gallery is going to open in the next couple of weeks, I will do further checking to make certain my facts are still up to date. The BBB does advise you that you need to post your return/cancellation policy. Our credit card company requires that we do the same.
 
Originally posted by joyfulartist:
Eric, you are right. I have a degree in art, and I do not recall even one class session...let alone one class devoted to framing. Of course it has been 20 years, but I think I would remember...unless I forgot. :confused:

Seriously, there was very little education on archival materials or longevity discussed, much less framing. You are right...it is sorely missing.
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I must be a lucky art student. While I was in college, I was required to frame 3 photographs from the series I worked on for my studio class. We did this every semester. My photo professor brought in the town's local framer, who told us step by step what to do. He discussed mounting techniques, frame choices, mat widths, the whole nine yards. I also had a lesson from my printmaking professor, who also went into details about t-hinges when matting our own works. They were wonderful lessons who turned this fabulous artist into a fabulous framer! :D
 
I went back to college after framing (and other things) for 12 years. In my art history class, I used to **** off the teacher (same age as me) by asking about every third slide, "What kind of frame did the artist put on it?".

This guy was a real good artist but a jerk framer. He had a "show" at the college: nice serigraphs 11x14 12x16, with 5" wide white double 3x mount board for the mat, with a 1/2" OT Black frame, NO glass. You just knew that he had ATGed the whole thing together and backed with cardboard cut from refigerator boxes.......

Just for the heck of it, I turned in a picture of the Mona Lisa framed the same way...... got a D+.

When Colleges start teaching how frames, furniture, achitecture, politics, and religion are all inter-connected, we will start having educated people who understand why a black frame with a white mat is NOT framing.

Ok, somebody else can have the soup can now.
baer
 
i graduated from the corcoran last year, one of the biggest problems students had was presentation. many artists have no clue about framing. that is not a problem, if you leave it to those who do. we collectively asked for a class in presentation, not much happened. a smile and you are right, but no action. it is sad in a way. i know school wont teach eveything, but if you are in art that is a major part of it. if your work can be infront of good people, they should not look at the bad framing.

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