Finally-GOOD easel backs!

Barb Pelton

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We got in our Epoch easel backs (at last!) that are made to fit different widths of mouldings--I just ordered a variety of some of our popular mouldings that we stock. Gorgeous, I must say!

I plan to order more--these look very sharp.:thumbsup:
 
At last!

Where can we get them??
 
(Sorry, I took some pics but for some reason can't seem to get them to show here. Have tried several times....I keep getting a good pic for a couple of minutes and then it goes away when I preview it. :icon45: When I try to attach them it says it's an invalid file. ??? )

No hardware or gluing required. You order your opening size (5x7 for example) and specify the width of your moulding (1.5" for example) and the backs come molded to fit. All you do it place them on and a spring on the bottom side holds them in place with a bit of tension. The easels swivel so you can get either horizontal or vertical. Very nice upscale look for about $4 apiece. Hopefully you can see something here:

http://www.epocharts.com/about_epocharts.htm
 
was really excited about this (cant find 'good' backs anywhere) untill I saw they are just another China/"suck the lifes blood out of the US" company(totally government subsidies from their gov)......I stopped buying China made crap(& it isnt EASY!) some time ago....when our government & theirs impliment/ENFORCE a fair tariff preventing our horrific negative balance of trade $$$ I'll reconsider my stance. In the mean time, all sensible peoples, not wishing to further wreck our nation's economy, should wean themselves from this continual attack on the american life/times. but that IS your choice, as it is mine
 
Bill, I'm not sure how it wrecks our economy to buy a product from an American distributor for $4. They send perhaps $.25-.50 of that to China. They get my $4, I get $10-15 from my customer, and my customer goes home with a classy-looking product that they are proud of. It seems that for the $.25 that goes to China, a whole lot of money starts flowing through the economy here.

Does that mean I like the way the communist government of China handles their trade or treats their people? No. But I do like pleasing my customers.
 
Richard,

I can understand that you like the price aspect of it, that's indeed easy, but understanding how China's subsidized economy undermines US's (and not only that) calls for a deeper approach and totally different measuring tools than simple pleasure and magnifying appearances glasses.

What about a framer who opens next door to you, and frames for 10 dollars apiece, because he pays only 4 bucks to the Chinese to have that custom made frame produced, and delivered overnight to Bozeman, Mo? Is that hint sufficient or you want some more?

For those like you, I need to say that any given company which is in competition with a Chinese counterpart is actually facing a ferociously unfair competition with the result that the Chinese company will always survive to tell the story. A little piece of anvil (some 2-3 lb in weight) from China retails in Freight Harbor (NE Pennsylvania) for $9. Now, for the buyer that's a very good price, right? But you will be left with your anvil in your refrigerator if happened to have had a job as a stealer in Pittsburg, PA. Duh?!
 
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It's not always the way it appears .............

I have to agree with Cornel at least in principle as far as supporting Far East industry at the sacrifice of jobs in our own country. I know that there are many of you who will argue that they make stuff cheaper than we can but that isn't the issue at all when it comes to our country becoming Dependant on foreign produce, materials, and services. We have already felt the sting of being dependant on foreign oil and it's control on our prices at the pump. We didn't create $3.00/gal. gas all on our own.

I hate to see even one job dissolve into oblivion in this country for the sake of saving a buck to produce it in a foreign country. If we were comparing apples to apples it would be much different. We would be losing jobs at a record pace based on our own stupidity or lack of technology but we are losing these jobs because the Orientals work for a small fraction of what we require to produce a product. Somewhere there is a blood sucking greedy corporate head that simply HAS to have every single dollar that he can possibly generate for his company no matter who it hurts or what effect it has on our own economy and job availability here in this country. I feel that these ultra greedy money sponges are the antithesis of Patriotism in America. Yeah, I know that our goal is to make money in the business world but we are going to have to pay the piper at some point for our greed and inconsiderate treatment of our blue collar jobs in this country and then it will be too late to do much about the situation.

We seem to thrive on ruining any chance we have had at being the controlling player in world manufacturing and technology while at the same time focusing our every waking moment on trying to find more and more ways to squeeze an extra dollar of profit out of every toy, appliance, automobile, stick of furniture, drugs, and any other product or service that comes to mind.

But I will take a back seat in the minority gallery as my theory is going against the grain of modern instant gratification and product-on-demand type of thinking.

I am grateful more than I could ever relate that my parents gave me a sense of responsibility for my actions and taught me the meaning of the value of things. I have a cell phone and I own a computer but I still have the original cell phone that I got when I got my first contract with my present cell phone company even though they have upgraded almost everything that my phone is capable of doing and I don't have any real reason to upgrade my 2 year old computer simply because there are faster processors out there now that put mine to shame or I can own a 21" flat screen monitor for about what I paid for my 17" CRT.

But then I don't run with friends who have to impress anyone around them with new toys either. Some of the younger people today have that trait bred into their lives from early childhood.

Now, on the flip side of the coin, let me post a question to you, Cornel. If you feel so strongly about what happens here in this country and you offer certain resolutions to some of these problems, why is it that you choose to manufacture all of YOUR products in a foreign country?? I know that it is your native country but, birthplace aside, is it because you can make more money by have your frames manufactured overseas? I can't imagine it is simply because you have all of your family back in Romania working in a little commune to keep the Rosca tradition alive. We sometimes have to take a look in the mirror at ourselves before we cast aspersions at others for what they do. Please don't take this as a personal affront to your business operation or you as a person, but I had to ask this question in light of how you phrased your reply in the last post you made.

Framerguy
 
I agree that it is in our long range best interest as a nation to buy American made products when we have a choice.

I would buy this product if there was an American made equivalent at even a higher price, but I haven't seen one.

In this case, we are creating our own photo frames on the premises, using an imported component. Kind of like a Ford F-150.

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Love them for certain applications. They are great for a custom sized something that needs to stand on a table or in a bookcase--certain environments.

But if they are sitting on a desk in a bank where the customers are looking at the back of the 5x7 photo frame and want a high end look? No.

Also, I sell alot of photo frames as gifts, as in we gift wrap them. Ever try to gift wrap a frame with an easel mate on it? You have to take it off, and that is not exactly "user-friendly" to the recipient. I know, I know, it's not difficult, BUT it is to some people.

These backs are beautiful, and customers love to touch them and pick them up. There's an "oooohhh" factor there that just isn't happening with an easel mate.

Both items will have a place in the store.
 
Wow, mass produced 23kt gold leafed fine frames made in USA.... great concept Framerguy. Only, it hasn't been done since Shifton shut down.

Although Cornel doesn't have the head aches of unions like Shiftons did, he still has to pay the prevailing Euro wage for skilled craftsmen. And that is above the US minimum wage.

So "Commune".... I think not. wrong country anyway.

But pressed labor at $.64/day for a 10-12 hour day... only in PRC.
 
Perhaps you noticed that I posted not like a Romanian or an American patriot but, simply as a small entrepreneur making his living in a free market economy. I am not against FAIR competition. Being better than some of my competitors I myself have had displaced or forced others into doing a finer job. Reversely, my competition made me be of the quality and gave me the size that I am today, for I too am im/pressed and/or inspired by my seniors.
FAIR competition is good for economy and for consumers too. In today’s world competitive edges were all relative and temporary till China had taken a seat at the table. With the rise of China, things got dead dirty for this huge player is not playing by the rules, and in so doing it aims at destroying competitors by absorbing their productive energy and stealing their intelligence property. China’s game is clear and hard to counter because it “capitalizes” on its best assets: demographics and a tough political system. 300 million Chinese people would then “compete” in the open with the world while another billion Chinese people would work for food, and fully serve and support their warlike machine. They force cosmic losses onto ¾ of their human reservoir but, being so obedient and populous of a country, that burden makes us collapse long before China will do so.
Why am I producing in Romania? Because I was awaken when a short lived window of opportunity, right after the fall of the communism, allowed me to open a small business with very little money that I saved in America. Another good reason was that working with my own people made communication and trust much easier than if I was to lean on foreigners. I had much to communicate and teach my workers, and even more to trust them with when being in America, searching and securing a niche in a very narrow market.
Windows of opportunities don’t equate with slavery. Romanians’ salaries are just a quarter of the European average but prone to grow as their country will join UE on January 1, 2007. For many years now prices have raised and dollar has fallen in order to align with UE’s economy and currency. My workers do have a month of paid vacancy, Eastern and Christmas vacations and bonuses, are paid twice as much for their overtime, and retirement and health insurance are mandatory. More over, the really estate came to be just as high as in US, sales tax of 19% and profit's taxed with 16%, the gasoline is about $5/gallon, power and hitting costs are huge, as entire Europe is dependent on Russian gas, tools and materials are much more expensive than here. My people work with American machineries, tools and equipment flown from here for this very reason. Ultimately, what I gain in labor I must pay back in transportation by air from Romania to the US. When I make a mistake, a replacing frame is UPS-ed directly from my factory to Washington or Dallas for $150 (4-5 lb). See? I may have an inexpensive labor edge but that edge is vanishing by the day and fair and straight competition is what keeps us on the market. I don’t see American Choice like one of those Chinese operations. Want an ultimate piece of evidence? If I were to sell at dumping prices, I’d be represented in more than 3.49% of the total grumblers’ shops after being around here for six years now.
 
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Perhaps is worth showing to you what a young team was in charge with producing American Choice's high quality frames, a little over one year ago. Me aside, the older guy there was only 32 and the youngest was 19. Sorry, I was not able to make that picture print on TG larger than thumbnail size

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/americanchoice/myhomepage/photo.html[/img
 

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Geez, Cornel, I want to move to Romania and work for you!...a month of vacation?!!! When are Americans going to learn to relax like that?
 
Also, I sell alot of photo frames as gifts, as in we gift wrap them. Ever try to gift wrap a frame with an easel mate on it? You have to take it off, and that is not exactly "user-friendly" to the recipient. I know, I know, it's not difficult, BUT it is to some people.

These backs are beautiful, and customers love to touch them and pick them up. There's an "oooohhh" factor there that just isn't happening with an easel mate.

You could put the easel mate frames in a gift bag, Barb, but I'm sure you thought of that.

It's true, the Epoch backs are beautiful and customers are definitely going to want to pick them up and touch them.
 
Sorry I shot so far over your head with that one, Baer, but you see I understand Cornel much better than you may realize. He and I have had dialog for many years now and I have always thought that the one main reason for his being misunderstood all these years on this forum is the language barrier. After meeting him I am simply reassured of his knowledge in his area of expertise and his difficulty in making his point in English in such a manner that everyone understands what he is trying to say. Ergo the last paragraph in my post to him.

I thank you for your reply, Cornel, or at least in the kind manner that you presented it to not make me look like an ogre. I am more aware of your reasons after talking to you and Timmis on various occasions and I simply wanted to draw out some of the reasoning behind your decisions which I feel I did without malice to you. I do regret using the word "commune" in my post as that can be taken in different dialects to mean something quite opposite of what I meant. But you failed to mention the "Old World" mentality of craftsmanship and precision in what you manufacture and the adherance to quality procedures in lieu of faster automated finishing techniques that ultimately result in an inferior product than you are producing.

As we have discussed privately, the difficulty of making a point in English when you have limited experience in such a complicated language leads to confusion of those who don't understand exactly what you are trying to say. I know how difficult it was for you to compose that lengthy set of posts and the time it took for you to get them to sound just right (with Timmis' help probably) and I applaud your ideas.

I have been accused of skewed thinking so maybe I am the only one who does understand what you said. Sometimes I don't understand what I said so we may be quite similar in our thought composition!! :o

FGII
 
Cornel, thanks for the picture.

The beard is looking great... as is the little gold master herself. Say hi to her.

Tom, it's all good. The point is, Cornel is bringing the "Old World" quality to America vs a "visual knock off" of quality that is coming out of China.

Back during the third year of Star Trek (the Original) there was an episode where the bridge crew was trapped in a castle..
Everything "Looked" Louie 15th... but the food had no taste, because it was a "visual knock off".

Barb, my question about the easels would be:

Originally, Epoch backs were made from solid Chinese Rosewood... then they switched to foil wrap... Are these backs, solid wood or foil wrap?
 
They are not solid wood like the originals. (those were beautiful)
These are a laminate over mdf product that looks like a walnut burl, with beveled edges in black. It is a one piece construction-not a two piece like the previous ones, therefore there is no gluing or attaching--just snap and go.

Certainly this is not in the same class as Cornel's work--let's be clear on that. This is about turning some of the back room scraps into cash, and
a good looking answer to the ongoing problem of backs that fit, hold up, don't eat up labor time to attach and looks good to the customer.

I ordered a couple of dozen to test--I've had them one week and I'll be reordering them next week. We've marked the 5x7's at 29.99, regardless of moulding (a variety of 1.25" and 1.5" stock mouldings) with CC glass.
It's not for everyone, but it's turned some of my scraps into saleable items with very little labor involved, so I'm happy about that.

Like Ellen says....
 
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