Farbic wrap mat, fillet, another fabric mat?????

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Brian Gorman

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I am having trouble with a design, my wife and a customer finalized. It is just as I included in the title.

So the problem is that the Top mat is pealing away from the fillet slightly. The art is a Giclee and there is no glazing on the order.

My first thought when I saw the order was that this exact scenario was going to happen. My thought was without glass, the bowing of the mat board was going to happen.

Concerned about the bowing, I sparringly used the glue for the wrap to limit the moisture.

I'm confused!
 
Brian,

Did you do the fabric wrapped mats?

What type of adhesive did you use?

How did you attach the fillet to the top mat?

Is the wrap separating from the mat or is the fillet separating from the wrap?

Did you use spacers between the fillet and the back edge of the mat to even the back surface of the mat out?

How did you attach the bottom mat?

Do you have a humidity problem in your area?

Why was it decided not to use glazing on the frame package??

A bunch of questions, I realize, but you didn't get too specific about your peeling problem in your post.

In my opinion, the fact that you are framing a giclee doesn't make any difference in using glazing on the piece. The glazing will protect the surface of the glicee, help to keep the mats/fillet flat, and should be used as you would on any print that you are framing. If the glicee is not protected, all sorts of damage could result over the years to the surface of the print. The most obvious is damage to the inks from moisture.

I would talk to your customer again and explain to him/her the reasons to use glazing on this frame package. Unless there is something amiss with your fabrication/assembly techniques, I would guess that humidity is the culprit in this case.

Framerguy

[ 06-14-2003, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: Framer_Guy ]
 
Brian-
I'm also a little confused.
I'm like Framerguy, and would have recommended the glazing.
But, besides that--I'm wondering why the mat is bowing and why you limited the use of your adhesive because you thought the mat would be bowing? If each level of your framing package is built up properly and if you put the proper amount of pressure on the backing when you fit it--the matting shouldn't be bowing.
If you lay the completed art "package" (mats, art, mounting board, backing board) face up on a table and apply pressure around the edges with your finger, and if anything "bows"upward, then something isn't built up to level.
I'm a little confused as too why you were concerned about moisture when creating the mat/fillet package.
 
Brian, you could say I've been there, done that. Your suspicions were right, it just won't work.
This happened to me seven years ago. Told them it won't work, he insisted, it failed, he brought it back, I replaced it with a liner and told them not to come back!
Since then I've gotten into the habbit of insisting on glazing for ANY paperborne product or artwork - mats and art. I don't care how long it's been unglazed, I insist otherwise.
Try remaking the mat out of a flat liner. My suspicion is it will be easier to fit as well.

Brian.
 
Let's forget the fat that art on paper needs glass. Some people have their reasons for not wanting glass and are willing to take the risk.

I've used mats and fillets and meany combinations therof of many a dry mounted poster or print. Bowing, peeling, warping, whatever, it shouldn't be a problem if you take the proper precautions. You need to be gluing the fillet to the mat and applying weight it until it dries. The mat fillet combination should be glued to the bottom mat with weights applied until it dries. Not too much glue, it might seep out from the edge. Adhesive transfer tape will not do the job. It won't stand up to exposure to air and humidity. The extra sticky might work, but why take the chance? For weighting, use some foam core strips around the edge of the mat to hold it above the fillet and put a piece of glass on top of that. Put weights on the glass. I use empty bleach bottle, etc., filled with water for weights.
 
Originally posted by Brian Gorman:
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The art is a Giclee and there is no glazing on the order.
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Is this a Giclee on canvas? Not paper I hope. I would never let a finished job go out without glazing.


Maybe what you need is a linen liner.

Jerry
 
Wow!!!! Some solid advice as usual from the "G".

Barb, I was concerned about the moisture from the glue. With the glue being water based and going on a paper product, the moisture I felt was bound to cause some warping. I am going to continue to dwell on the ideas. Thank you everyone. I have answered a the questions below. Please speak up if you have any other suggestions or critiques of my techniques. By the way, the Giclee is on Canvas.

To answer a few questions.....

Did you do the fabric wrapped mats?
Yes I did.

What type of adhesive did you use?
Fabrimount from Framing Fabrics.

How did you attach the fillet to the top mat? ATG. This may be one of my problems according to one of the posts.

Is the wrap separating from the mat or is the fillet separating from the wrap?
The Fillet is separating from the mat. The fabric, Silk, is attached good and there is no seperation.

Did you use spacers between the fillet and the back edge of the mat to even the back surface of the mat out?
Yes. Foam core of the proper depth to keep the package flat.

How did you attach the bottom mat?
ATG to the Fillet and backing boards

Do you have a humidity problem in your area?
Not here in Mission Viejo, CA

Why was it decided not to use glazing on the frame package??
Customers request to create a frame package that reflects her original Oil at home.
 
Brian,

Another thing you can do with the glass. Attach the mat to the top of the glass then put a rag mat on the print to separate it from the glass.

If you use a glue such as Cornerweld in dots or thin beads, moisture won't be a problem.

Another thing you can do to to add more stability to mat/fillet combo is to run a bead of glue around the back edge of the fillet where it meets the mat before you add the filler boards. Just use ATG to attach the filler boards to the mat and butt the board up to the fillet so that it is glued in next to the fillet.

Confused now? ;)
 
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