SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
- Oct 5, 2006
Agreed, Mike. Nicely handled. Thanks.
There was a Baltimore and a Philly show too. i went to Philly but it was so long ago that I don't remember much about it. Lost wages and Atlanta are far enough aprart that I think I can swing both. I'm look'n forward to something new. Atlanta was my favorite before so I'm hoping it will be again.The east coast used to have a New York show, as well as an Atlanta show, so it seems reasonable that the large population east of the Mississippi, and particularly in the growing southeast region would bring adequate attendance to this show.
As I believe Mark suggested, there were about 7 framing related vendors and a few mass-produced painted canvas companies.I was not able to attend the re-birth of the Decor show in New York this year. Does anyone know how many framing vendors and classes it had, out of curiosity? Was it a good show?
In most cases, the ability to "afford"* going to a show is a matter of perception, not reality. However, you can't argue with perception.Ylva, it certainly is relevant. There are hundreds, if not thousands of framers on the east coast who haven't been to a show in years because the owners of the shops they work for can't afford to fly them to LV, much less give them the time off to go.
Where were you this April when Decor was at the piers?I miss the shows at the old passenger liner piers in NYC. I could drive in and park right on the roof!
Although I suppose one could argue the point either way, a show that precedes your busiest season make far more sense than one that occurs afterward. After all, it's when do business typically make their largest purchases.Atlanta was the perfect timed show. I was buying for 3 mall based operations and always found new exciting product for 4th quarter. My po's would total over $50,000.00 and would still have to write late November / December orders because of sell through.
I miss the old days!
Absolutely. That's part of what I was implying by mentioning that many people had not been to a show since Decor left.David, another reason for your success at the NY show may have been that you were reaching new prospects.
I am so glad to hear that you thougt this show as worth while. Last year I had to pull out because of health reasons, but if things go as planned and my back holds out, I will be there this year.Absolutely. That's part of what I was implying by mentioning that many people had not been to a show since Decor left.
Believe it or not, we talked to quite a few new framers - ones that had started their business in the last year or two, or were in the process of starting up.
Retail custom framing may not be flourishing, but it is alive and here to stay.
If there was a Chinese Dinner Rob, I would come!!WHAT???? And here I thought it was all about the Chinese Dinner
One of the main reasons the show went belly up was because it was virtually given in trade for compensation owed to Kim. It became very clear early on that Kim did not have the management skills or the financial resources to keep it going. Poor management is what killed that show. Pure and simple. I know because I was there when it all came crashing down, and was also one of the people who got burned. But I don't blame the new owners for it. To keep trying to make it the problem of the Redwood group is unfair. They do have the know how and the financial backing to bring it back. I have been very impressed so far by what they have done and how they are doing it. The industry should give them a chance. They deserve it.The one thing missing is no one has examined the root causes of why one of the biggest shows declined and declined to disappearing. What set of conditions are present today to change that? I remember when ATL was the one show you wouldn't miss and Vegas was up the road a bit and was a 'what the heck show' at the Riviera
They still had Mounting 19th Century Asian Fabrics, too
...have the new operators offered any projected attendance numbers? As a vendor, i'm sure you are interested
My shows were always good and the fact that the traffic numbers went down never seemed to affect me. It is my belief that the numbers were down because less shops were bringing thier employees and is probably the reason my numbers never went down. Those attending were the people with the purse strings. Note: Decor added me to the class schedule of their last show only 2 weeks before the show stared, and the class was the day before the show started. We had almost 60 in the class.hey Jeff
no doubt of contributing factors, but If memory is okay, there was a little circling the drain for a few years prior
I'm pretty sure we used to comment on how it just wasn't what it used to be.
Hobby Publications was probably one of them and I'm not sure about the other one.I do remember two really big publishers we dealt with that had down sized their booths noticeably
The answer would be a lot more. With the 2008 recession/almost depression may shops went OOB. Most of my accounts who are left standing are so busy right now that they can hardly keep uo. New shops are opening every week and people are adding to their work force because of it. There is a forward momentum in the industry right now. No doubt it will never go back to what it once was, but market IS getting better. Hopefully we will all do our part to keep the forward progress.You mentioned shops thriving; no doubt. Anyone know how many shops were around 6-7 yrs ago vs today?
At this point, I really don't care what the projections are because it is an almost impossible question to answer right now. The framing industry and PPFA have to help this show get back on track. It was always my best show as well. I will be putting money down on a booth. The only reason I haven't done so yet is because I am paying for 2 shows right now, and the NY one is also in my radar before the Atlanta. I am hoping to be in NY and will absolutly be in Atlanta. Michael is working on getting the word out but we can all help by contacting the vendors to tell them you would like to see them there. The more people who are out there spreading the word the easier it will be for the Redwood Group to bring the show on line.Pat-have the new operators offered any projected attendance numbers? As a vendor, i'm sure you are interested
Hobby Publications produces Picture Framing Magazine (and WCAF). I think Bob was referring to "art" publishers that had 40 x 60 islands and spent a quarter million to do the show. I don't think HP ever had more than a single 10x10 booth at Decor.Hobby Publications was probably one of them and I'm not sure about the other one.
If my memory serves me right when Vivian was alive, they had a much bigger stake in the show and booth space. I recall big posters in the entrace with Vivian's picture on them and a booth that was larger than a 10x10. I was doing so many shows back then that it may not have been Decor Atlanta's show that I am remebering. You are correct about Art Publishers though.Hobby Publications produces Picture Framing Magazine (and WCAF). I think Bob was referring to "art" publishers that had 40 x 60 islands and spent a quarter million to do the show. I don't think HP ever had more than a single 10x10 booth at Decor.
You are right about the education being imortant, but without the vendors there is no show. Any show will be better with both. When I taught at the Decor show there were several other educators there teaching classes as well. Jim Miller and John Raines come to mind. I spoke with Michael this morning and there will be education.....no doubt. Will it be lto the extent of the WCAF & PPFA conference......probably not, but they don't want the show to be a copy of what is already being done.Sorry I don't have time to read all these posts, but would like to add a simple observation....
Having been to frame shows for over 30 years - WCAF, Frameorama, Baltimore, UK, France, Germany, Australia, Italy, Spain, Norway, & Portugal to name a few...... there is a single fact that stands out
The shows that have gone had little or no education.
The shows that have survived and got better all have education.
An educated framer is a more profitable framer.
Since it has just now been determined that the Atlanta show is coming back, isn't it just a wee bit premature to make blanket statements about what it will or will not be? Perhaps it won't be as strong as the West Coast show initially. That does not, however, mean that it won't become comparable in short order. Unless I'm mistaken, we're just as capable here in the East as you folks out West.
This is the place to be!I am planning on going, and looking forward to it! I can't wait to see what type of classes that you will have . Have many exhibitors signed up yet?
We have been telling all our suppliers that we want to see them there .
Any chance he gave you a list of who will be in Atlanta?I contacted the director of the NYC Decor Expo to see who will be showing.
I was informed that most of the vendors have jumped ship to the Atlanta show.
I am greatly disappointed. I do not have the ability to travel to Atlanta. I love going to NYC.
Looks like no show for me anytime in the near future.