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Does any one know what a comercial 200 seal press is worth? it dosen't look like much to me. It is all silver and approximatly 18 by 24 in size.

The other peice of equipmet I need a value for is a speedball"?" mat and glass cutter?

any help would be appricated.

Jill Hennes CPF
 
Can't help with the press, or the value on the Speedmat cutter. I did find the Speedmat website, so if you have any questions about the cutter itself: click here.

Charles
 
Last time I looked, Larson Juhl has them in their catalog for around $2000.00. I have three old ones that size that I've been asking $400.00 each for. We use them for mounting long paper items like life size posters etc. It seems like most of the younger framers don't believe that you can mount in sections with these things without leaving a mark at the junction of the sections. The demand for these things seems small.

I don't know what a speedball cutter is.

John
 
Search Ebay for the presses, there's always several listed. Use searches "Seal Press", "Dry Mount", "Dry Mounting", "Mount Press" etc... you should come up with a pretty good listing. Check back often because new listings are posted fairly regularly. Prices are pretty much dependent on condition. Check it out...there's usually something interesting.
Keep in mind that these presses are HEAVY and shipping will not be cheap!

P.S. John's price seems very fair for a quality press.
 
Well, there you go! If John has one for sale, buy it if you can.
The Grumble is an excellent place to buy equipment. Everybody knows everybody, through the G, anyway, and we're all in the same business.
Jill, did the Speedmat site help? Thought maybe you might have seen something of interest on there...
 
Jill,

To realy give you fair estimated values, we need to know exact models, age and condition: Excellent, Good, Fair, In serious need of repair. (Are all acessories included?)

The Seal press you described sounds like the older "frog eyed" version which puts it's age at 26+ years? If that's the case, they're are a number of newer 500T and 500TX machines being offered, that might be a better way to go.

The Esterly Speed Mat comes in two basic versions, US and a heavy duty ball bearing version. It also has several options which would impact it's resale value: Straight sizing cutter and Oval cutter?

With that determined, I think you'll get some accurate estimates from this crowd.

Regards,

John
 
The speedmat sight was just what I needed for that item, it is just two years old so I can work with that.

The Seal press does sound like the Frog Eyed model at least it looks like it has frog eyes to me.
Both these peices of equipment are included in the frame shop my husband and I are looking at.
and before we could figure out A offer price I needed some idea of value. The rest any framer could figure out all pretty normal stuff and all except that press were bought just two years ago when this guy opened his own frameshop.

Thank You
Jill Hennes
 
The Seal 200 press is probably worth between $75 and $200 maximum US$. Its original selling price was less than $500. There are absolutely no parts available for this machine and the clamping bar and side brackets were not very sturdy. If any thing does go wrong you need to search around through electrical shops with the parts and/or switches in hand to try and suitable replacement parts.

Alan Sturgess
 
There are no reliable price guides for used framing equipment. Age and condition are the first considerations. After that the level of desperation of the buyer and seller come into play. He who least needs to deal wins.

If you're knowledgeable enough to evaluate a machine's condition accurately, and capable of rebuilding it, then you can save BIG on damaged/abused equipment. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with the item you want, maybe you should wait until you can afford a new one instead. Or find someone who will help you locate a good buy on a used one.

If you're the buyer, the "right price" is the lowest price the seller will accept. Decide what that item is worth to you and make an offer. Sometimes you get to buy, sometimes not.

If you're the seller, the "right price" is the highest price a potential buyer is willing to pay. Decide what minimum price you will accept, and stick to it...until you get tired of waiting.

Another factor is packing and transportation. I once accepted a FREE drymount press, but had to pay more than $600.00 to get it here from Florida. Still, it was a good buy for me, and the former owner was happy to get it out of the barn. Today it looks and works like new.

Some of the very best deals are at trade shows. Pre-arrange to buy a show demo machine (or several), then drive an appropriate vehicle to the show and bring it home with you -- often cheaper and faster than shipping, and you have a perfect opportunity to enjoy other show benefits, such as education.

Good luck setting up your new shop. Remember: it's usually smarter to borrow wisely and save your capital.
 
Alan is right about parts for the 200 press, the parts are no longer made and not available through Seal. However, some distributors still have stock of old parts. I picked up an extra thermostat for my Masterpiece 350 (same thermostat as the 200) a few months ago from Victor (before they went out of business) just to have an extra on hand. I have also found parts for my old 8400 wall cutter which are no longer available through Fletcher. You'll have to call around though.
 
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