Epson Stylus Pro 4800 Professional

Bill Taylor

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Hi Fellow Grumblers,
I have a very good customer that just bought the newest Epson Stylus Pro 4800 Professional printer. Before they got this printer we were laminating their prints with no problems. With the new printer we've noticed the color changes in a very bad way. The black and whites turn a greenish color and the color prints turn a yellowish color. I don't think it has to do with the temperature because they heat mount without changing color.
We both love the "look" of the satin finish and the durability it provides, but the discoloration is not acceptable.
Has anyone run into this problem? Can you recommend a laminate that will not do this?
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Hey Bill,

Sorry I don't have the knowledge to help you out, but I'm sure glad you posted this. I'm in the market for a wide format printer, and the Epson 4800 was on my short list. Sounds like it might be a good idea for me to lean toward the HP130.

Good luck!

Don
 

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Don,
I the printer and the inks are great. I think the problem is with the laminate.
Bill
 

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Yeah, Don, I have heard universally high praise for the Epson Ultrachrome K3 line of printers. The mere fact that one particular laminate interacts with the inks shouldn't disqualify them from further consideration, particularly considering the longevity of the inks.

Bill- what laminate are you using?
 

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Bill:

The Epson 48/78/9800 series printers use a reformulated inset from the previous 76/9600 Ultrachrome set. However, I suspect that the new set has similar properties when it comes to lamination.

I have a 9600 and have had my share of trials and tribulations with laminating prints:)

On the Ultrachrome set, when you laminated a print you had to either use a cold (Pressure sensitive laminate), or a hot laminate applied at a maximum of 180F. Any more than that and it will most definately turn green. Apparently, the color shift is caused by the boiling of the glycerines in the ink.

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Doctah,
The laminate I'm using is Bingfang Finish Guard
UV Luster. I will try a lower setting as well.
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How old are the prints? Have they been out of the machine for a few hours or a few days?

Pressure sensitive lamination is the better option, longer time, lower heat will possibly solve the dilema.

Don, does the HP have similar problems or would you buy it just because you don't know?
 

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Have had problems with the image on prints when laminating. A green tint to the picture, tinting most all of the colors. I noticed this when changing to the Bingfang finish guard.

Let me know the outcome of the different setting, and if you get one that is satifactory. I will do the same next time I have some laminating work, none at the present time. Good luck
 

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Lance,Paul,treeves,
My first thoughts were that the inks should "set" for awhile. I waited over a weekend then tried with the same unsatisfactory results. I haven't tried the lower setting yet.
I have uneasy feelings about cold laminate.
Thanks for your replies,
Bill Taylor
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Have had problems with the image on prints when laminating. A green tint to the picture, tinting most all of the colors. I noticed this when changing to the Bingfang finish guard.

This sounds smoking gun-ish.

I hadn't heard of these sorts of issues before, and it seems quite the large coincidence that both people experiencing these issues were using Bingfang Finish Guard.
 

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Bill, Doctah,

Thanks for the info. I'll continue to consider the Epson models.

Lance,

You made a very good point. It would be foolish of me not to make certain that other makes and models don't have the same types of problems. Thanks.


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I wrote:
"I have uneasy feelings about cold laminate."
Lance wrote:
"What are the uneasy feelings???"

Lance,
I have never used cold laminate. My uneasy feelings are that the cold laminate will not be as nice, i.e. smooth, permanent with no bubbles and I wonder if it would work using foam core.
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It works fine with foam board, heck I've mounted and laminated onto all sorts of things without hassle. As for the longevity - I have no real idea as we have only had it for a short while, bubbles/creasing is more easily remedied and avoided than using a hot laminate.

As a general rule it looks far better than the hot stuff and it is much harder wearing.

It takes a bit more "thinking" and there are tricks to master but thats the same with any machine, the real beauty is the speed these things go.

Bill, you are most welcome to pop in and have a go with it next time you're over this way.
 

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Lance,
Thanks for the information.
Just three months ago I attended the wedding of the customer that I do the laminating in question for....her hubby is from New Zealand!
Small world.
The next time I'm in your neck of the woods I'll take you up on your offer.
Bill Taylor
 

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Hi:

Sorry for the need to ask, but what do you laminate? Why? Doesn't that ruin the item being laminated? It must be permanent....

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Bill
 

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If anyone is interested I do have a Xyron 2500 25" roll cold laminator available for sale. Email me if interested.

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Bill Taylor

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Hi:

Sorry for the need to ask, but what do you laminate? Why? Doesn't that ruin the item being laminated? It must be permanent....

We laminate lots of family portraits and signs. Usually so glass does not have to be used. The luster laminate leaves a beautiful finish and negates the need for glass.
We never laminate anyting original, signed etc..
Bill
 

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The first part of the above was a question asked by another "Bill".
The second part is my answer. Sorry.
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